Is Drinking Wine Wrong??

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Who's twisting the Scriptures? Read Luke 7:33-35. Case closed.

Jesus was not admitting to drinking fermented beverage. As a matter of fact, He was showing how they were falsely accusing John the Baptist and then falsely accusing Him.

try again.

 

[Taufgesinnter]

Jesus was not admitting to drinking fermented beverage. As a matter of fact, He was showing how they were falsely accusing John the Baptist and then falsely accusing Him.

try again.

33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ 35 Yet wisdom is justified by all her children.”

1a. Jesus ate bread.
1b. His opponents used this truth to say falsely that He ate to excess.

2a. Jesus drank wine.
2b. His opponents used this truth to say falsely that He drank to excess.

3a. Jesus ate and drank with tax collectors and other notorious sinners.
3b. His opponents used this truth to smear His reputation by association.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? Let us not therefore judge one another any more.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

The natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God. The natural man wants to say Jesus was speaking of drinking fermented wine. The Spiritual man judgeth all things and knows that Christ truly could not have partook of fermented beverages.

The natural man cannot know the things of the Spirit.

 

[gekko]

Romans 14
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

you people read this yet?

vs. 21 is where those who think alcohol is a sin - is where they mess up. they say "right there! it says its not good to drink wine!"

no - that's not what the verse is saying - take it in context.

what the verse is saying is that - dont drink wine in front of a brother who would be weakened and tempted to drink more and more.
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READ THIS CHAPTER!!

God bless.

 

[music4Him]

Your thoughts!!!! Some say its not and some say it is!!!! Whats you stand on this???

Drinking wine is not wrong as long as you don't drink to get drunk. Just like money is not evil its the love of it that is. Eating food is not evil but glottony is. The bible says in 1Thess. 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
So its all about finding a balance.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

hello??????

Proverbs 23:31 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright

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The word 'ra'ah' in that verse is translated 'do not have experience with.' Leave it alone.

You don't have to drink alcohol in front of a brother to cause him to stumble, just the fact that he knows you drink it at all (whether he is present or not) could cause him to stumble.

Have you ever heard someone say, 'Well, so-and-so down the street does it, so it must be ok'?

You can be causing someone to stumble who reads these posts and says 'Well, that christian says it is ok to drink.'

Woe to him that putteth wine to his neighbor's lips.

 

[gekko]

You don't have to drink alcohol in front of a brother to cause him to stumble, just the fact that he knows you drink it at all (whether he is present or not) could cause him to stumble.

Have you ever heard someone say, 'Well, so-and-so down the street does it, so it must be ok'?

You can be causing someone to stumble who reads these posts and says 'Well, that christian says it is ok to drink.'

Woe to him that putteth wine to his neighbor's lips.

i agree with you there - but it seemed like you took the verse out of context.

read the verses before it:

"Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?"

answer: "They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright"

'when it moveth itself aright' - seems to label "wine when it is red" as "mixed wine"

anyways - read the verses after it as well. i've got to go to class.

 

[webdog]

The natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God. The natural man wants to say Jesus was speaking of drinking fermented wine. The Spiritual man judgeth all things and knows that Christ truly could not have partook of fermented beverages.

The natural man cannot know the things of the Spirit.

Way to rip 1 Corinthians 2 out of context to support your own convictions. Try again.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

nothing ripped out of context by me. I have given scripture to show we are to refrain from alcohol.

And now, as someone stated earlier, you have seen the scripture and heard the truth. As Paul wrote, 'Thou art inexcusable, O man.'

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

i agree with you there - but it seemed like you took the verse out of context.

read the verses before it:

"Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?"

answer: "They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright"

'when it moveth itself aright' - seems to label "wine when it is red" as "mixed wine"

anyways - read the verses after it as well. i've got to go to class.

when it moveth itself aright is speaking of fermentation. Look not upon (have no experience with) the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright (fermented, bubbling).

 

[webdog]

nothing ripped out of context by me. I have given scripture to show we are to refrain from alcohol.

And now, as someone stated earlier, you have seen the scripture and heard the truth. As Paul wrote, 'Thou art inexcusable, O man.'

I used to think as you do, then I did "hear the truth". What you are saying is not it.

 

[annsni]

The Spiritual man judgeth all things and knows that Christ truly could not have partook of fermented beverages.

This spiritual woman reads Scripture and Scripture says that Jesus not only drank wine, He made it. Case closed.

Ann

 

[annsni]

when it moveth itself aright is speaking of fermentation. Look not upon (have no experience with) the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright (fermented, bubbling).

I've not studied this but I always thought of the 'moving itself aright' with the thinking of when you're drunk, things seem to move although they're not. That's why drunken people sway and stumble.

Ann

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Way to rip 1 Corinthians 2 out of context to support your own convictions. Try again.

try again webdog.

When man opens the Word of God with the preconceived thinking that 'there is nothing wrong with me having one drink,' man is going to receive the Word as being only to the point that it does not take away his 'one drink'. He will not receive the things of the Spirit.

Same as those living homosexual lifestyles and claiming to be christian. As long as they are not reminded by the Word of God they are living in sin, they will listen to the preacher. That goes with anyone. The natural man does not want his toes stepped on.

Paul wrote in Romans 7 that the flesh wars against the Spirit. This is what is happening here. The flesh sees no wrong in drinking. The Word of God tells us 'touch not, taste not, handle not.'

 

[webdog]

HBSMN, if you read my last post, I said I used to think as you do. It's only when doing what you suggest...reading the Word without preconceived notions, do we learn the truth...that alcohol is not sinful in itself. I blogged about this a while back...
http://webdog.baptistblog.org/post/24/493

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

This spiritual woman reads Scripture and Scripture says that Jesus not only drank wine, He made it. Case closed.

Ann

Spiritual? Hmmm. Study it out and you will find the wine Jesus made at the wedding feast (oinos) was not and could not have been alcoholic wine.

Case closed? Sounds more like the mind is closed.
1 Corinthians 2:14 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[webdog]

Spiritual? Hmmm. Study it out and you will find the wine Jesus made at the wedding feast (oinos) was not and could not have been alcoholic wine.

The wine Christ made was the "best", the same kind of wine the Lord of Hosts will serve us someday in Isaiah 25:6...
Isa 25:6 On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

I've not studied this but I always thought of the 'moving itself aright' with the thinking of when you're drunk, things seem to move although they're not. That's why drunken people sway and stumble.

Ann

If that were the case, then the verse would say look not upon the wine when you are drunk. There is a problem here because Paul wrote in Ephesians 5 'Be not drunk with wine...'

According to your above statement, one is told don't drink no more once you get drunk.

Doesn't work. The key word is that word 'Look'. It means 'have no experience with.'

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

HBSMN, if you read my last post, I said I used to think as you do. It's only when doing what you suggest...reading the Word without preconceived notions, do we learn the truth...that alcohol is not sinful in itself. I blogged about this a while back...
http://webdog.baptistblog.org/post/24/493

Alcohol is not sinful in itself, you are right. But drinking it is. God did not create alcohol, it is a product of man.

 

[webdog]

Alcohol is not sinful in itself, you are right. But drinking it is. God did not create alcohol, it is a product of man.

Fermentation is a "product of man"? :laugh:

Go pull some grapes off a vine and let them sit for a few days and tell me what "man" caused those grapes to ferment. Ridiculous.