Is Eating Pork Wrong?

[Brother Bob]

ok - here's a thought.

why is it that we are warned not to eat pork and shellfish and what not?
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So be enough left for us Baptist.

 

[gekko]

lol. no.

because those animals are scavengers. bottom feeders.
and who wants to eat a bottom feeder?

its just a warning.

its part of the ceremonial laws. which are done away with because Christ has come and the new covenant has come in. there's lots of scripture on it. im not near any bibles though.

run with it.

 

[Brother Bob]

because those animals are scavengers. bottom feeders.
and who wants to eat a bottom feeder?

You ever eat cat fish?

 

[BobRyan]

ok - here's a thought.

why is it that we are warned not to eat pork and shellfish and what not?

Those were the "early days" when God was very very "young" - long before He became "THE SAME yesterday today and forever" - long before the Bible was the WORD of GOD. Back then it was sort of a partnership between God and Moses. And both were just learning.

Hence the mistake he makes in Isaiah 66 regarding that Rev 20 future event and judgment of the world by fire --

As follows -

16 For [b]the LORD will execute judgment by fire And by His sword on all flesh[/b], And those slain by the LORD will be many.
17 ""Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice[/b], will come to an end altogether,'' declares the LORD.
18 ""For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory.

You just have to know which part of the Bible to ignore.:wavey: :laugh:

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

You ever eat cat fish?

Nope.

ever eat cats?

 

[LeBuick]

ok - here's a thought.

why is it that we are warned not to eat pork and shellfish and what not?

I like to believe for the same reason Adam was told not to eat of the tree. I doubt if anything was wrong with the fruit, it was all a test of obedience.

 

[Brother Bob]

ever eat cats?

No, have you?

Why not eat cat fish, no scripture against it is there?

 

[TC]

ok - here's a thought.

why is it that we are warned not to eat pork and shellfish and what not?

Probably for the same reason that God commanded you to not wear clothes made out of mixed material. What you wear has to be made of only one material, so if you are going to follow the dietary laws you also need to purge your wardrobe of any items made of more than one material. I also read one law forbidding a razor from touching your face. That means all us males should quit shaving and grow bushy beards.:tongue3:

 

[EdSutton]

Probably for the same reason that God commanded you to not wear clothes made out of mixed material. What you wear has to be made of only one material, so if you are going to follow the dietary laws you also need to purge your wardrobe of any items made of more than one material. I also read one law forbidding a razor from touching your face. That means all us males should quit shaving and grow bushy beards.:tongue3:

I believe there is one religion where that (bushy beards) is fairly comonplace, and that has also been in the news a lot, recently, and that religion I definitely do not want to be identified with. :laugh:

That said, I happen to have a bushy beard that would make many, of some sects of the religion of Islam anyway, look like they had so much "peach fuzz"! :smilewinkgrin: :laugh:

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

lol. no.

because those animals are scavengers. bottom feeders.
and who wants to eat a bottom feeder?

its just a warning.

its part of the ceremonial laws. which are done away with because Christ has come and the new covenant has come in. there's lots of scripture on it. im not near any bibles though.

run with it.

Here's a question for you!

Q. What is the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?

A. One is an unclean, slimy, greasy skinned, scavenging, scum-sucking, bottom-dwelling feeder.

The other one is a fish! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[BobRyan]

Har Har!!:thumbs: raying:

Now and then I find a derailing post that is actually funny and that was one!

THanks for sharing.:thumbs:

 

[BobRyan]

No, have you?

Why not eat cat fish, no scripture against it is there?

You can't eat cat fish for the same reason you can not eat cats.


Cats are not mentioned specifically by God in Lev 11 - but God states clearly Lev 11 the "rule" for land animals is that they have to have a split hoof and they have to chew the cud. Cat's are out "by the rule".

The rule for fish is "Fins and scales". So catfish are out on the same basis as cats being out - "by the rule" that God stated.

Now imagine that as God CREATED these creatures He KNEW that He was going to want to have such "simple rules" so that mankind would not have a complex "list" that they needed to distinguish between "what is food" (Lev 11) and what is "NOT" to be eaten at all.

So in Genesis 6 and 7 when we see the CLEAN animals go into the ark BY SEVENS and the unlcean BY TWO's we can be certain that the CAT's went in by TWOS while the DEER went in by SEVENS.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

ok - here's a thought.

why is it that we are warned not to eat pork and shellfish and what not?

Well in Lev 11 our Creator God "says" that it is so that WE will know "What is FOOD" and be able to distinguish between that and what is "NOT to be eaten". So no bats, no rats and (sorry about this people but...) - no cats! (Imagine being out in the jungle and having to share this sad news with the wild uncivilzed natives!! You might want to let them eat rats and bats for a while before getting to it!)

But that is just "God" -- we might be able to imagine many "other ideas" other than what the text actually says.

We are after all - imaginative.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[LeBuick]

Well in Lev 11 our Creator God "says" that it is so that WE will know "What is FOOD" and be able to distinguish between that and what is "NOT to be eaten". So no bats, no rats and (sorry about this people but...) - no cats! (Imagine being out in the jungle and having to share this sad news with the wild uncivilzed natives!! You might want to let them eat rats and bats for a while before getting to it!)

But that is just "God" -- we might be able to imagine many "other ideas" other than what the text actually says.

We are after all - imaginative.

In Christ,

Bob

Yes, but I believe man began worshiping the law itself instead of what the law stood for, obedience.

Now let's look at the NT.

1 Timothy 4:3-5 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Matthew 15:10-11 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matthew 15:17-20 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Acts 10:11-16 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Titus 1:14-16 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

I'll throw this one in for free...

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, but I believe man began worshiping the law itself instead of what the law stood for, obedience.

Certainly that is true in some cases. Probably not for David or John the baptizer or Peter etc - but true for "some".

Also members of the RCC often accuse non-Catholics of that same thing with their accusation of "bibli-olatry" against non-Catholics.

But EVEN if there are instances of abuse in those cases - IS that a basis for Rejecting God's Word or changing God's Law when HE HIMSELF says "I do not change" Malachi 3:4?

Now let's look at the NT.

1 Timothy 4:3-5 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Here is a good example of God's "unchanging nature" from Creation onwards. From the very start "from Creation" our Creator has not changed.

So the question is - "rats, bats, cats and dogs"???

God says in Lev 11 that these are NOT food!!

Why is this such a hardship for people???

In Isaiah 66 He speaks of future Rev 20 judgment by fire and brimstone - pointing to the destruction of those who insist on these abominable practices. (As He calls it).

Why go out on a limb for such animals as "food"??

Matthew 15:10-11 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matthew 15:17-20 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Context is "everything".

This is the PRE-Cross (nothing nailed to the cross) view of food by Christ. This is not Christ abolishing His own Word. It is a debate OVER WHEAT!!

And it is a debate over the non-Bible idea (man-made-tradition") that SIN gets on your hands then SIN gets on your food when you touch it and so your food is "unclean". Christ said of that man-made-tradition "there is NO SUCH THING". In Mark 7 he makes the point in this SAME discussion that you can not BREAK God's Word for the sake of man-made preferences and tradition!

The fact that this "under-the-law" PRE-CROSS context shows the unchanging God to make such a sweeping statement about His unchanging view of this - SHOWS that those who seek to bend it INTO a conflict between Mark 7 and Lev 11 are making a huge mistake.

Acts 10:11-16 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Ok so now we have all bugs, as well as horses, rats, cats, dogs and bats... Peter states that he has NEVER violated his body or the Word of God by eating such things. (Notice that Peter was THERE in Mark 7 and Matt 15 - he was never condemned for failure to eat bugs).

IN Acts Peter retells this same story 2 times - and in each case HE SAYS the lesson is NOT "go out and have a bug and rat sandwich" but rather DO NOT call any PERSON unclean as Jews would have viewed Gentiles.

STILL people today want to turn this around to bug+and+Cat sandwich AS IF that is a FOCUS of the Gospel!!

Titus 1:14-16 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

This gets back to my earlier post -- is the BIBLE the WORD of God or are some parts of it "Nothing more than Jewish Fables - with Moses doing the best he could to INVENT scripture"??

If Lev 11 and Isaiah 66 are "Jewish fables" then fine - but if they are THE WORD of GOD then Mark 7:4-11 applies here.

I'll throw this one in for free...

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I'll throw this one in for free as well.

Matt 7 "Do NOt JUDGE lest you be judged" - Is ALREADY the PRE-CROSS standard! It did not abolish God's Word pre-cross anymore than CONTINUING that authorotative moral truth in Matt 7 would abolish God's Word post-Cross.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[LeBuick]

Well, how about the 10th chapter of BKings...

Hold the pickel, hold the lettuce, special order don't upset us, all we ask is that you let us serve it your way...

Or even from the red letter McGospel...

Two all beef patties, special sauce lettuce cheese pickels onions on a seaseme seed bun...

And from Emerils commentary of the NT, PORK FAT RULES!!! You do remember pork, it's the other white meat...

 

[BobRyan]

I am sticking with the ban on rats, cats, dogs and bats ... horses too!!

It is what God tells us to do in Lev 11 - telling us "They are not food" for us.

so while there are probably some people turning a blind eye to that and dreaming about "kitty-sandwiches" with some bugs on the side ... I am one of those that wants to honor God's Word on this one.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[gekko]

yes. everything in and of itself. (itself being the operative word) is clean according to romans 14.

God deemed everything good in genesis.
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BUT God deemed some animals unclean and unfit for sacrifices.... as well as for diet.
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we should not judge eachother's diets.
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God bless

(p.s. heard this coming from a jew who follows the law. and is a christian.)

 

[LeBuick]

yes. everything in and of itself. (itself being the operative word) is clean according to romans 14.

God deemed everything good in genesis.
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BUT God deemed some animals unclean and unfit for sacrifices.... as well as for diet.
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we should not judge eachother's diets.
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God bless

(p.s. heard this coming from a jew who follows the law. and is a christian.)

Well put Gekko

 

[Jim1999]

I just had a nice piece of Polish Sausage.....Should I go to confessional in the morning?

cheers,

Jim