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Is Election Salvation ?

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salzer mtn

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savedbymercy said:
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Thats True, except the Elect are not in a state of condemnation while the rest of mankind is while in that condition.

The elect, while they are enemies, they are nevertheless reconciled to God Legally with no sin charged to them Rom 5:10 !
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Rom 5:8-10 But God commended his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
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savedbymercy said:
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Thats True, except the Elect are not in a state of condemnation while the rest of mankind is while in that condition.

The elect, while they are enemies, they are nevertheless reconciled to God Legally with no sin charged to them Rom 5:10 !
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So I say again: the conclusion of what you're saying is that people are saved, they just don't know it. True or false?
 
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salzer mtn said:
Rom 5:8-10 But God commended his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Ok, Thats scripture, I agree with it !
 
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Don said:
So I say again: the conclusion of what you're saying is that people are saved, they just don't know it. True or false?
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What am i saying or what is the verse saying ? Are those Christ died for reconciled to God while they are yet enemies / unbelievers according to Rom 5:10 ? Yes or No ?
 
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savedbymercy said:
What am i saying or what is the verse saying ? Are those Christ died for reconciled to God while they are yet enemies / unbelievers according to Rom 5:10 ? Yes or No ?
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What you're saying the verse says. So have I correctly summarized your position? Please answer my question, so we can continue reasoning together.
 
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savedbymercy said:
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Do you agree with it ?

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Are those Christ died for reconciled to God while they are yet enemies / unbelievers according to Rom 5:10 ? Yes or No ?
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I've answered your question by asking you one to make sure I understand your position.

Please answer my question, and then we can continue to reason together.
 
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savedbymercy

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Don said:
I've answered your question by asking you one to make sure I understand your position.

Please answer my question, and then we can continue to reason together.
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No you did not answer it in the way I asked you, with a Yes or No, but yet you ask me to answer a question with a yes or no, that is hypocritical ?
 
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Savedbymercy, Don asked you a legitimate question and he asked you first. So answer it.

Or let me guess...

"It's a mystery."
 
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savedbymercy said:
No you did not answer it in the way I asked you, with a Yes or No, but yet you ask me to answer a question with a yes or no, that is hypocritical ?
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Your question was to get me to agree or disagree with you, which I can't do until I know I've correctly understood you. My question was to ensure that I understand you. Do you not understand the difference?
 
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Don said:
So I say again: the conclusion of what you're saying is that people are saved, they just don't know it. True or false?
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Forget 'saved' for a minute. 'Saved', IMO, has become one gommed up word. Is it an unimaginable thing for you that someone could belong to God and not know it?
 
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No less than the London Baptist Assembly of 1689 declared:

Yet none can be said to be actually reconciled, justified, or adopted, until they are really implanted into Jesus Christ by faith; and so by virtue of this their union with him, have these fundamental benefits actually conveyed unto them. And this, we conceive, is fully evidenced, because the scripture attributes all these benefits to faith as the instrumental cause of them, Rom. iii. 25. v. 1, ll. Gal. iii. 26. And gives such representation of the state of the elect before faith, as is altogether inconsistent with an actual right in them. Eph. ii. 1, 2, 3, 12.
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salzer mtn

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Does the saving process ever stop ? No. We have been saved, we are being saved, we shall be saved. Let's say I am going to buy a beagle pup from a breeder. He has a litter that is not weaned yet and I go to his kennels and pick out the one I want. I elected the pup. The breeder agree's to hold it for me until the price is paid. A week later the pup is weaned, I go pick up the pup and pay the asking price and go home with the pup. In my mind and in the breeders mind the minute I picked or elected which pup I wanted it was mine. The instant God elected me to salvation I was his even though the price had not been paid. But God knew the price would be paid by his Son more so than I knew I would pay for the pup. Again when Christ paid the price in blood for my redemption, I was his as much as when I paid the breeder for the pup. Again at my conversion when his Son was revealed in my heart, I was his and he was mine as much as when the pup came to the realization that he belonged to me.
 
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kyredneck said:
Forget 'saved' for a minute. 'Saved', IMO, has become one gommed up word. Is it an unimaginable thing for you that someone could belong to God and not know it?
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An unbeliever that belongs to God, who dies in unbelief, yet has a place in heaven -- is a completely unimaginable thing for me.
 
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savedbymercy said:
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Thats True, except the Elect are not in a state of condemnation while the rest of mankind is while in that condition.

The elect, while they are enemies, they are nevertheless reconciled to God Legally with no sin charged to them Rom 5:10 !
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I will repeat Ephesians 2:3 for your edification!

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Ephesians 2:3, NASB:
3. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
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"children of wrath" sounds like they {we} were in a state of condemnation. And they {we} are until regeneration occurs because they {we} are spiritually dead in their {our} sins according to Ephesians 2:1.
 
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Don said:
Your question was to get me to agree or disagree with you, which I can't do until I know I've correctly understood you. My question was to ensure that I understand you. Do you not understand the difference?
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When you learn how to practice what you expect from others then get back with me !
 
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