Is Fascism Right Or Left?

[atpollard]

Here is the U.S. minimum wage in real (inflation adjusted) terms.
As you can see it's now about where it was in 1950. So much for the lie about high minimum wages.

When the minimum wage increased, McDonalds replaced workers with self-order kiosks.
Is the goal really to eliminate all entry level positions?

It is not a "one size fits all" question.

Setting aside "minimum wages", it is my "health care premiums" rising at 30% per year that dwarf any issues with salary. The difference between a $2000 deductible last year and a $7000 deductible this year REALLY matters.

 

[Matt Black]

Not a problem for us over here...

 

[atpollard]

Not a problem for us over here...

True, you have your own completely different problems. I liked ... I think it was Margret Thatcher's ... quote "The problem with Socialism, is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend."

I believe your Heath Care Cost is crushing your economy as well (only being rationed with a different mechanism).

Just out of curiosity, what is the 2018 minimum wage in the UK in Pounds and is it indexed to increase with inflation?

 

[Reynolds]

Most people getting assistance from the government are either working or have a family member who is working. I've talked to professional people, ministers and vets who are on the street.

Most? We have a huge chicken plant here. Most of their workforce is part time. Management hates it. Management wants full time employees. Most of the workforce will not work over 16 hours per week because the income disqualifies them from govt. programs.
They refuse full time work to keep welfare.

My great grandmother and great grand father left the reservation. They left it to better themselves. My grandmother talked all the time about how glad she was her Mammy and Pappy left. She said they give you just enough money to KEEP you living poor. The social programs keep the Indians on the reservation, the blacks on the plantation, and have drug the rest of the ethnic groups down to the plantation as well.

 

[HankD]

IMO the arts and science of human society/populace/government and the control thereof is DYNAMIC in relationship to our understanding of it which is therefore unpredictable and ever changing (like any other application of science) from generation to generation.

That is a problem.

In one social science class I took the professor early on in the class said "as population increases the given government trends toward socialism".

 

[Reynolds]

No, we raised the poor up and lowered the richest ever so slightly...Which they could more than afford!

Lowered them quite a bit.

 

[atpollard]

Not a problem for us over here...

Never mind, I found the data. Converting to US Dollars:

UK Minimum Wages (2018)

• Apprentice = L3.70 = $4.71
• Under 18 = L4.20 = $5.35
• 18-20 = L5.90 = $7.51
• 21-24 = L7.38 = $9.40
• 25+ = L7.83 = $9.97

US Minimum Wage (2018)

• Federal = $7.25
• Alaska: $9.84 an hour
• Albuquerque, New Mexico: $8.95 an hour
• Arizona: $10.50 an hour
• Bernalillo County, New Mexico: $8.85 an hour
• California: $11 an hour for businesses with 26 or more employees; $10.50 an hour for businesses with 25 or fewer employees
• Colorado: $10.20 an hour
• Cupertino, California: $13.50 an hour
• El Cerrito, California: $13.60 an hour
• Flagstaff, Arizona: $11 an hour
• Florida: $8.25 an hour
• Hawaii: $10.10 an hour
• Los Altos, California: $13.50 an hour
• Maine: $10 an hour
• Michigan: $9.25 an hour
• Milpitas, California: $12 an hour
• Minneapolis, Minnesota: $10 an hour for businesses with more than 100 employees
• Minnesota: $9.65 an hour for businesses with annual gross revenue of $500,000 or more; $7.87 an hour for businesses with annual gross revenue of less than $500,000
• Missouri: $7.85 an hour
• Montana: $8.30 an hour
• Mountain View, California: $15 an hour
• New Jersey: $8.60 an hour
• New York: $13 an hour for standard New York City businesses with 11 for more employees; $12 an hour for standard New York City businesses with 10 or fewer employees; $11 an hour for standard workers in Long Island and Westchester; $10.40 for standard workers in the rest of New York state; $13.50 for fast food workers in New York City; $11.75 for fast food workers in the rest of the state
• Oakland, California: $13.23 an hour
• Ohio: $8.30 an hour
• Palo Alto, California: $13.50 an hour
• Rhode Island: $10.10 an hour
• Richmond, California: $13.41 an hour
• San Jose, California: $13.50 an hour
• San Mateo, California: $13.50 an hour for standard businesses; $12 an hour for nonprofits
• Santa Clara, California: $13 an hour
• SeaTac, Washington: $15.64 an hour for hospitality and transportation employees
• Seattle, Washington: $15.45 an hour for businesses with 501 or more employees that don't offer medical benefits; $15 an hour for businesses with 501 or more employees that do offer medical benefits; $14 an hour for businesses with 500 or fewer employees that don't offer medical benefits; $11.50 an hour for businesses with 500 or fewer employees that do offer medical benefits
• South Dakota: $8.85 an hour
• Sunnyvale, California: $15 an hour
• Tacoma, Washington: $12 an hour
• Vermont: $10.50 an hour
• Washington state: $11.50 an hour

I bet there are a LOT of "Apprentices" in the UK.

 

[InTheLight]

That's a cop-out. I've shown here numerous times that the church simply doesn't have the funds to even provide just healthcare let alone the other needs of the poor.

I see you are still spouting the arbitrary and unrealistic standard that the church should buy everyone health care insurance as to why private charities can't provide for the poor. Since the church can't (or won't) do this you say that private charities are a failure.

 

[InTheLight]

Fascism is of the Far Right. It favors Governmental totalitarian authority, inequality and strong nationalism.

Yes, this was Nazi Germany, fascism of the far right.

Fascism can be far left as well. Every case must be examined.

 

[HankD]

Here is the answer to our governmental needs (which we all really know anyway):


Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

He is coming soon.

 

[Matt Black]

True, you have your own completely different problems. I liked ... I think it was Margret Thatcher's ... quote "The problem with Socialism, is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend."

I believe your Heath Care Cost is crushing your economy as well (only being rationed with a different mechanism).

Just out of curiosity, what is the 2018 minimum wage in the UK in Pounds and is it indexed to increase with inflation?

Well, you can Google for it...it hasn't kept massive pace in the last 8 years thanks to Tory austerity.

We both have problems with an ageing population and medical science making advances which aren't always cheap, both of which lead to pressures on our healthcare systems...for which we can either pay more (through taxes or insurance premiums) or ration care to the elderly.

It's a discussion both of our societies need to have

 

[Matt Black]

Never mind, I found the data. Converting to US Dollars:

UK Minimum Wages (2018)

• Apprentice = L3.70 = $4.71
• Under 18 = L4.20 = $5.35
• 18-20 = L5.90 = $7.51
• 21-24 = L7.38 = $9.40
• 25+ = L7.83 = $9.97

US Minimum Wage (2018)

• Federal = $7.25
• Alaska: $9.84 an hour
• Albuquerque, New Mexico: $8.95 an hour
• Arizona: $10.50 an hour
• Bernalillo County, New Mexico: $8.85 an hour
• California: $11 an hour for businesses with 26 or more employees; $10.50 an hour for businesses with 25 or fewer employees
• Colorado: $10.20 an hour
• Cupertino, California: $13.50 an hour
• El Cerrito, California: $13.60 an hour
• Flagstaff, Arizona: $11 an hour
• Florida: $8.25 an hour
• Hawaii: $10.10 an hour
• Los Altos, California: $13.50 an hour
• Maine: $10 an hour
• Michigan: $9.25 an hour
• Milpitas, California: $12 an hour
• Minneapolis, Minnesota: $10 an hour for businesses with more than 100 employees
• Minnesota: $9.65 an hour for businesses with annual gross revenue of $500,000 or more; $7.87 an hour for businesses with annual gross revenue of less than $500,000
• Missouri: $7.85 an hour
• Montana: $8.30 an hour
• Mountain View, California: $15 an hour
• New Jersey: $8.60 an hour
• New York: $13 an hour for standard New York City businesses with 11 for more employees; $12 an hour for standard New York City businesses with 10 or fewer employees; $11 an hour for standard workers in Long Island and Westchester; $10.40 for standard workers in the rest of New York state; $13.50 for fast food workers in New York City; $11.75 for fast food workers in the rest of the state
• Oakland, California: $13.23 an hour
• Ohio: $8.30 an hour
• Palo Alto, California: $13.50 an hour
• Rhode Island: $10.10 an hour
• Richmond, California: $13.41 an hour
• San Jose, California: $13.50 an hour
• San Mateo, California: $13.50 an hour for standard businesses; $12 an hour for nonprofits
• Santa Clara, California: $13 an hour
• SeaTac, Washington: $15.64 an hour for hospitality and transportation employees
• Seattle, Washington: $15.45 an hour for businesses with 501 or more employees that don't offer medical benefits; $15 an hour for businesses with 501 or more employees that do offer medical benefits; $14 an hour for businesses with 500 or fewer employees that don't offer medical benefits; $11.50 an hour for businesses with 500 or fewer employees that do offer medical benefits
• South Dakota: $8.85 an hour
• Sunnyvale, California: $15 an hour
• Tacoma, Washington: $12 an hour
• Vermont: $10.50 an hour
• Washington state: $11.50 an hour

I bet there are a LOT of "Apprentices" in the UK.

No, because it's fairly limited in its application: once you hit 19 you can only be on the apprentice minimum wage for a year
A guide to apprenticeships

 

[Reynolds]

Yes, this was Nazi Germany, fascism of the far right.

Fascism can be far left as well. Every case must be examined.

What was "right" about Hitler? I see him as extreme left. He was an economic leftist. He believed in murder of the innocent, just like the left loves to murder innocent babies.

 

[Matt Black]

Apart from the fact that he killed or imprisoned the German communists and social democrats and railed against Bolshevism in most of his speeches?

Just for example...

 

[InTheLight]

What was "right" about Hitler?

He had this little thing about building up the military.

I see him as extreme left. He was an economic leftist.

Imposed wage controls.
Busted unions.
Outlawed leftist political parties.

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[Matt Black]

No land reform either: a sine qua non of communism. That's one of the factors that endeared him to the junker Hindenburg. Indeed, he allowed the keeping of private property generally

 

[Matt Black]

The big capitalist bosses like Krupp also liked him because he promised to, and did, crush the leftists that were such a threat to them and let them keep their businesses

 

[InTheLight]

No land reform either: a sine qua non of communism. That's one of the factors that endeared him to the junker Hindenburg. Indeed, he allowed the keeping of private property generally

That is correct. Hitler kept the practice of keeping farm land within families by law of hereditary. Definitely NOT a leftist economic policy.

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[HankD]

FASCISM:

1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

the definition of fascism

IMO the CAUSE of fascism is an aberration which comes out of perverted patriotism (left or right - which is an expression of love of country).
Note: it is "perversion" a wrong over-reaction coming out of a real or imagined or propagandized expectation of the coming destruction of one's government or one's actual country.

My opinion.

 

[Reynolds]

He had this little thing about building up the military.



Imposed wage controls.
Busted unions.
Outlawed leftist political parties.

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All sounds leftist to me. Communists love strong militaries. Military hawkishness is neither right nor left.