Featured Is God in CONTROL of the consequences of the Fall?

Why not both?

 

I dont want to take this off the tracks but I need to understand something (you can answer via PM).......Do Arminians believe in Election & Predestination..... and then the kicker question..... What type of predestination?

See most Old School Baptists (who hold to DoG) do NOT believe in an "Absolute Predestination" ..... Rather a biblical one that addressed Election only.

 

The clear warning......dying though shalt surely die was given.Looks like God meant it.

If I clearly warn you if you put your hand in a furnace it will be burned to a crisp.....you do it and get burned to a crisp....do you blame me?
The fire? The maker of the furnace?......or yourself?

 

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Depends, ...did you put ear plugs in the person so he couldn't hear the warning first?

 

If God ordained that I put my hand in the furnace before I was ever born I certainly would blame him.

If God ordained that I sin, then why am I condemned for doing the very thing he ordained me to do? That is being condemned for obedience. And that is making obedience a sin. That is not logical or make sense at all.

Things are strange in the Bizarro World of Calvinism.

 

Nobody believes God forced Adam to sin or that Adam lacked ability to choose right. Inability is the result of the fall not the precursor to the fall.

 

Winman

That was not the example given was it?

You would not know what God ordained would you?

If God ordained you would post foolishly and in rebellion to His word, you would not know that either ,but we would see foolish posting by you everyday and we would understand that this was the case indeed....come to think of it:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

No, you were careful not to mention that you believe everything we do was ordained by God before we were ever born and that we MUST perform these actions.

It's called "the elephant in the room". Nobody mentions it, but you can't help but keep bumping into it.

And you do? Wow, aren't we privileged to be privy to the inside "secret" stuff. How did you pull that off?

"We"?? Oh, you mean "the elect". There we go again, not bragging about being elect again.

It's a good thing being elect never goes to your head. :wavey:

 

My mistake, I was referring to those involved in this discussion on this thread. I should have said "nobody in this discussion." I am well aware that there are some who claim God is the author of sin.

You have yet to respond to the reasons I have offered to prove this line of reasoning is false. God did not design His righteous nature because God IS righteous. God did not design light because He IS light. God did not design LIFE because He IS life. Unrighteousness IS the absence of righteousness and darkness IS the absence of light and death IS the absence of life. God cannot design another God equal to Himself and therefore by necessity all beings created are DEPENDENT upon union with God for life.

God did not design sin but did give permission for the entrance of sin by designing free responsible choice in Adam. Sin is the necessary consequence of choosing contrary to God's revealed will.

 

Please provide the Post# where you ever responded to that argument concerning light, righteousness, life and the dependency of all created beings on God? I have never read any such response. If I missed it, I am sure you can point to the post???

You are evading my response. I stated that the absence of life is death (which is inclusive of all of its meaning; spiritual, physical, eternal separation from God) while sin is merely the mechanism that breaks dependency upon/union with God who IS life.

 

God is Sovereign over His Creation!