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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Miss E, Jul 27, 2020.

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  1. Sai

    Sai Well-Known Member

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    I thought they believe that God predestined the non elect to hell? Which is an error on their part.
     
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    God only knows, but it wasn't my good looks, natural charm and sex appeal. In fact, there is absolutely nothing that I can point to that would explain the reason why God chose to redeem me. When you figure it out, would you kindly enlighten me? Maybe it's my lack of sarcasm that won God over? I got nothing.
     
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    Van, leaning hard on the crutch...
     
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    O MY GOODNESS. You are SUPER blind my friend. You just confessed to believing in a God that picks based on NOTHING we DO, no Faith, no Belief, only that He, as the Divine and All-Powerful all-loving, all-holy God, chooses to save some and damn others. Con graduations, you have made us into mindless machines. -claps-

    No one in their right mind would worship a God that picks based on nothing. I was picked to be saved based on my FAITH. Not because God just felt like one day out of the blue to save me. That isnt' grace, that is selfishness. That is a horrible and selfish king.

    My King gave me a choice whether I would love Him or not, and THAT is how His grace is shown by his OFFER, not his DICTATING some to believe and others not to.
     
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    Count me disabled and needing TWO crutches because Van is correct and all I hear from you and the others is self-righteous blabber.
     
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    Moctezuma I (c. 1398-1469) was the first Aztec Emperor and died before the first European arrived in the Americas. How did God give Moctezuma I “the opportunity to believe upon His son to be saved” when he died before he ever had a chance to hear the Gospel?

    Your assumptions are flawed.
     
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    Pay for the pizza and you can have it. Aren't I so gracious!? That will be $21.95 with tax...
     
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    You divert the point with an answer of folly. God still gave him the opportunity to seek after God. but he chose to follow himself.
     
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    Gee I though the use of ad hominems was a crutch. And according to some, leaning on the truth is not a crutch.

    Yes the "T" of the TULIP says the fallen cannot choose holy volitions, thus we can only choose to sin. Frequently in seeking to defend the indefensible, you will find posters who deny the actual meaning of the T and claim it only means we do not have the ability to save ourselves. On and on they post denials, ad hominems and misrepresentations yet claim they are earnestly seeking truth. As some might say, we can judge the tree by its fruit. (Matthew 12:33)
     
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    Your comparison with God's GRACE in offering His son for remission of our sins to every man/woman who believes with a pizza order is ATROCIOUS.

    God did choose the foolish things in the world to shame the wise. And some might say God offering an opportunity for people to be saved via His son is foolish- that Him giving man the OPPORTUNITY TO BE SAVED BY HAVING FAITH IN HIS SON is foolish. Do you think that's foolish? If so, well, I hope you're ready to be shamed. :)
     
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    I judge no one except myself, because that is the only heart that I know. The question was how can someone know THEY are one of the Elect. It is about examining your own fruit to decide the status of your own heart.

    [Romans 14:4 NASB] 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
     
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    Moronic. Romans 3:23. 1 John 1:10.
     
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    You mean that God’s LOVE for those He foreknew and predestined and called and glorified DRAWS the ELECT to Christ and cause them to love Him? That sounds just like the Reformed Doctrines of Grace. ;)
     
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    ONLY GOD KNOWS YOUR HEART, Thus, only God knows you're saved. I don't even know if I'm saved or not because only God knows our hearts. You can't know your heart as the scripture says:

    The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

    We have to have FAITH to be saved. Plain as that. I won't know for sure if I'm saved til I face God myself and He tells me whether I have been a good and faithful servant or that He never knew me.
     
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    I believe the words 'predestined' never came out of my post/mouth brother pollard. :)

    Nice try though.
     
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    If I am understanding your answer, you know you are elect because of your work? Yes, I can see how that would be the only possible way you would know it. I have suspected that would be the only logical honest answer.

    Thank you for that.
     
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    Nobody knows why (except God), but scripture gives hints as to NOT WHY. Not because we were better than Cindy Lou. Not because we deserved it more. The decision was not based on any merit in us ... we were not smarter, luckier, less evil, more deserving. The reason has SOMETHING to do with God. We were saved because God chose us.
     
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    No, they came out of God’s mouth. I apologize for trying to put God’s words in your mouth; I am sure that is something that almost never happens. :)
     
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    God “passed over” the reprobate and allowed then to follow their natural evil inclinations ... like what the end of Romans Chapter 1 describes.
     
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    Well...I guess you picked the wrong God. The do something for me and I'll do something for you gods are all down the hall and to the left.
    The God who chooses according to His own purpose is here in the Bible and whether I like it or not, He chose this wretched bum as his child. Nothing I can do now. How sad it is for me that I am made a child of the King of Kings and given all the blessings of being family. If only I had been able to choose, I'm sure I could have done a much better job. Plus, I could have shown off my narly nunchuck moves. That, surely, would have won me some points. :rolleyes::Ninja
     
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