StraightAndNarrow
Active Member
Why do all the fundamentalists want to bring down Billy Graham? He is a great man of God and has done much to bring the gospel to hundreds of thousands of people.
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KenH you wound me but then again you are just telling your version of the truth as I am.
Unfortunately though in the end when it lines up to scripture your version doesnt add up.
Why doesnt it add up?
Simple Christ said you shall know them by their fruits.
You are saying you shall know him by what he has said, what others have said and what photo ops this administration has done.
But my version of the truth is based upon what he has DONE.
What has he done?
1. Supported the NWO and brought this country further in line with their objectives in order to set up the Anti-christs global empire.
2. Forced Israel to give up land for peace when God was the one that gave them the land in the first place. Oh and when Christ comes back thats one of the things hes gonna judge the Nations for at the last battle.
Daniel 11:39 - Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Joel 3:2 - I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3. Has threatened to veto Anti-torture legislation.
4. He is an oathbreaker. During his inauguration, George W. Bush placed his left hand upon the Holy Bible and took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, yet since his swearing-in, the Constitution has been violated in almost every conceivable manner. From FREE-SPEECH ZONES to WARRANTLESS SEARCHES to TORTURING DETAINEES, Bush has systematically dismantled the very document that he swore an oath before God to protect. i.e. Patriot act and supporting the supreme court decision to allow government to seize private property for corporate use.
5. Lastly God's word tells us to have to fellowship with the works of darkness yet Bush does. For one hes an unrepentant member of the Skull and Bones. Second hes a card carrying member of the Bohemian grove where a bunch of sickos get together to sacrifice an effigy to Moloch.
Also should any Christian flash the Satanic salute?
or how bout the three finger salute on national TV?
No they dont.
Ill have to give it to Bush though he can talk the talk but seems to have problems walking the walk.
Unfortunately though in the end when it lines up to scripture your version doesnt add up.
Why doesnt it add up?
Simple Christ said you shall know them by their fruits.
You are saying you shall know him by what he has said, what others have said and what photo ops this administration has done.
But my version of the truth is based upon what he has DONE.
What has he done?
1. Supported the NWO and brought this country further in line with their objectives in order to set up the Anti-christs global empire.
2. Forced Israel to give up land for peace when God was the one that gave them the land in the first place. Oh and when Christ comes back thats one of the things hes gonna judge the Nations for at the last battle.
Daniel 11:39 - Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Joel 3:2 - I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3. Has threatened to veto Anti-torture legislation.
4. He is an oathbreaker. During his inauguration, George W. Bush placed his left hand upon the Holy Bible and took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, yet since his swearing-in, the Constitution has been violated in almost every conceivable manner. From FREE-SPEECH ZONES to WARRANTLESS SEARCHES to TORTURING DETAINEES, Bush has systematically dismantled the very document that he swore an oath before God to protect. i.e. Patriot act and supporting the supreme court decision to allow government to seize private property for corporate use.
5. Lastly God's word tells us to have to fellowship with the works of darkness yet Bush does. For one hes an unrepentant member of the Skull and Bones. Second hes a card carrying member of the Bohemian grove where a bunch of sickos get together to sacrifice an effigy to Moloch.
Also should any Christian flash the Satanic salute?
or how bout the three finger salute on national TV?
No they dont.
Ill have to give it to Bush though he can talk the talk but seems to have problems walking the walk.
Just remember what the Bible says, ASLANSPAL - that the judgment you use toward others will be used on you.
Be careful, my friend, be very careful. </font>[/QUOTE]This is the funniest post of the week
hillclimber
New Member
No my friend your research needs much fine tuning, in fact you need to actually do some research.
Also your the only one that is bearing false witness since you wont even bother to actually do the research in the first place.
Remember the News links I posted have never been retracted nor have they been challenged and we all know that if a news source prints something false they are opening themselves up to lawsuits.
So next time prove me wrong instead of calling me a liar without any proof whatsoever. </font>[/QUOTE]You are too quick to believe anything that fits your preconceived notions. Your views of current events prove it and your distortions of Biblical truth attest to it. You're sure not afraid of stating your viewpoint though, I'll give you that. And yes, I'm not afraid of my viewpoint either.
guitarpreacher
New Member
jereome,
You're in Austin, TX, so you gotta know that that is the "hook'em horns" salute, not the satanic salute. Although, from where I sit, that's six one, half a dozen the other.
You're in Austin, TX, so you gotta know that that is the "hook'em horns" salute, not the satanic salute. Although, from where I sit, that's six one, half a dozen the other.
This is evidence of the fact that you are a liar.
This photos is not a "satanic" symbol. He's at a Texas A&M University rally, and it's the school's popular "hookem' horns" sign.
Yet another example of the fact that you're a liar. This is a still from a video clip. It's off-air, and in the clip, he's joking and bantering back and forth with the camerman and in-studio director. This joking about was done privately in a studio. The clip was never aired on "national TV". Further, this was during his tenure as governor, not potus.
You have now been caught in two lies. In the very least, two errors. I'm not holding my breath to see if you retract your claim on these two items.
TEXASGRANDMA
New Member
"This photos is not a "satanic" symbol. He's at a Texas A&M University rally, and it's the school's popular "hookem' horns" sign."
I am a Texan it is not hookem horns for A&M. That is the U of T sign. Gigem Aggies is A&M
hubby is a former Aggie. So I should know.
betty
I am a Texan it is not hookem horns for A&M. That is the U of T sign. Gigem Aggies is A&M
hubby is a former Aggie. So I should know.
betty
guitarpreacher
New Member
Still doesn't change the fact that it's satanic
Go Hogs!!!!!
As a mere matter of argumentation, how would the failure to be able to post such information indicate that your opinions are not based on teh opinions of others?? Can't you see the problem with that? The fact that you may not have directly cited someone else doesn't mean that their opinion didn't influence you.
Here's the question: Do you konw Bush personally by spending time with him? If the answer to that is no, then your opinion (whatever it might be) is based on others opinions as they are reported in various sources. Short of your personal firsthand knowledge of Bush by spending time with him (something I am confident you have not done) then it is clear that your opinions of Bush (like virtually everyone else's) is based on others' opinions of him. </font>[/QUOTE]So this has become a usless topic considering that no one actually knows the President. Those who say that Bush is a Christian are just as capable of being wrong about their assumptions as those who say that he is not. </font>[/QUOTE]This is one of the few worthy statements by anyone so far in this thread.
Sure... if you are a perfect interpretter of the fruits.
More accurately, I would say that we differ on what the fruits should look like.
Someone indicated that a Christian president wouldn't prosecute a war. I say that a civil leader has an obligation to defend the people that God Himself ordained him to lead.
One says Bush lacks integrity. I say that the best test of integrity is when someone does what they sincerely believe to be the best course of action... in spite of the consequences to them personally. In Bush's case, he has opened himself up to critics and political/personal damage by doing what by the best indications... he truly believes is right. I happen to agree with him. There are a number of scenarios that might have played out had we left Saddam in power. The best- he is still persecuting his people, threatening his neighbors, sponsoring terrorism, etc. The worst- he has attained nukes and is holding the world hostage or else has sponsored a WMD attack on the US and is hiding behind the threat of MAD.
Yes and no. It is a sin to skirt the truth. OTOH, Christians and Muslims do both claim to worship the "historical" God of Abraham. Theologically, our conception of God is very different. Historically, their perception and ours meet in Abraham.
Depends on what you consider "torture". The word to the average person invokes visions of electrodes, starvation, beatings, etc.
To a lib, they might include stepping on the Koran and thus "offending" a Muslim prisoner. It might include playing music they don't like or isolating them from one another. It might include, well, just being too mean.
One guy put Abu Ghraib into perspective... worse things happened when I was in college in frat hazing. As far as I know, Omega Psi Phi still brands its pledges as one of the last rites of initiation... if I am not mistaken, the Rev. Jesse Jackson is a Q-dog.
I disagree largely with his policy as you do... but what is unChristian about wanting peace in Jerusalem?
??? I missed it. But assuming you have accurately portrayed this incident, what would you have had him do, smack her? Divorce her?
Since when is the President of the sovereign United States of America beholden to "international law" when he perceives a threat to his people?
He, like everyone else privy to the intelligence reports, thought Saddam was a threat. Your accusation is actually dishonest and a contradiction to your own testimony.
There is no proof that Bush lied or intentionally miscommunicated the evidence. Britain has determined that some of the supposedly false intelligence was true.
Further, when the safety of the American people is at stake and a decision has to be made, I don't want a president to take a chance that the overwhelming concensus of the intelligence community is wrong.
Let's play that scenario out a little differently: Bush gets intelligence that says Saddam is trying to get nukes and is once again developing/stockpiling WMD's. Saddam himself is thumbing his nose at the inspectors, allies, and UN. But... Bush decides not to remove Saddam or even to wait until the fall.
The military had already told him that a summer offensive in Iraq would increase allied casualties and risk of failure. Saddam was kicking the inspectors out. Even if he didn't have and remove WMD's in the run up to the invasion... he could have easily had large stockpiles by October.
One more summer could have made the difference between 2000 US deaths and 25000+. One summer could have made the difference between an Iraq headed toward democracy and Saddam holding the region and world hostage with the threat of WMD's. One more summer could have meant the difference between re-building the infrastructure of Baghdad and recovering from a WMD attack on Austin.
Then you are delusional or self-deceived.
Anyone who cannot discern a clear difference between Bush and Hitler is blind.
But since you brought him up... had Chamberlin and Roosevelt been as decisive about Hitler as Blair and Bush were about Saddam about 60 million people wouldn't have had to die. Had Bush/Blair followed in the footsteps of the appeasers, the loss could have been much worse than 60 million and probably would have started in the US with WMD terrorism.
poncho
Well-Known Member
You cannot serve two masters, I would like to hear him publicly renounce Skull and Bones. </font>[/QUOTE]Ain't gonna happen. You'll never hear either Bush or Kerry renounce their membership in Skull and Bones. It's so secret they can't talk about it and the mainstream media isn't allowed to ask about it more than once or twice and then only so they can say to the public "we asked about it and they said it was so secret they can't talk about it."
I can agree with this, Hitler had a mustache (okay a half a mustache) and told the Rothchilds he prefered to have Germany print their own money and not be beholden to the criminal fractional reserve banker policies.
Bush is clean shaven and has no problem with the criminal racketeering of the globalist bankers.
OTOH both Hitler and Bush have used corporatism to their advantage, that's fascism to those unfamiliar with the writtings of Mussolini.
So Hitler, crazy and evil as he was, wasn't a puppet to the globalist bankers and that marked him for defeat. Bush is most assuredly a globalist puppet, thus and therefore his reign is allowed to continue...alittle longer.
[ December 06, 2005, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]