Is Irresistible Grace "resistible"?

[Winman]

I'm not the one who implied that Jesus didn't know how to present the gospel properly.

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm not the one who implied that Jesus didn't know how to present the gospel properly.

Oh, you certainly were. You brought all that up on your own. You're angry, again as usual.

I never even came close to your accusations and drivel against me.

Bless you.

 

[Winman]

The conversation with Nicodemus was not just the verse we now know as John 3:16. Jesus started a tad earlier and went on a tad longer. Perhaps you should take up and read... :thumbs:

OK, show me where he said one word about grace being necessary for faith in this conversation.

 

[webdog]

He is declaring to them the Gospel. Hilarious you leave that word out.

Gospel is not in verse 3 onward...I left nothing out. Verses 1 and 2 are one thought, verses 3 - 8 another, 9-11 another, etc.

Creed or not, it was and is the Gospel. If someone came to me to have me explain it, I would take them there, and tell them the same message those in Acts told others: that is that He died, was buried, and rose again. That there is good news. That is what they preached and what I preach.

There is no faith mentioned in verses 3-8...how can it be the Gospel?

 

[preacher4truth]

Gospel is not in verse 3 onward...I left nothing out. Verses 1 and 2 are one thought, verses 3 - 8 another, 9-11 another, etc.

There is no faith mentioned in verses 3-8...how can it be the Gospel?

Uh, no. All of them are a continuation of what he is declaring, the Gospel, as he plainly said. Nice try.

Gospel is described and he tells them he is declaring it to them, and describes all of it after verse 3. That you can't see this is sad really. I suppose you need the word gospel every other word to see this is what he is declaring to them? That you don't know this is the Gospel is sad.

So now faith is the Gospel? The message was the same as he preached to them, he called it the gospel, whereby they were saved (shows faith) (How do you not see faith there?) and wherein they stand, and he again declared this Gospel to them, i.e. the death burial and resurrection in teh following verse after 3. Same thing he preached to them. Same thing preached in Acts.

Who knows, maybe a creed was where they stood and what saved them?

Maybe we should preach we are saved by a creed and our faith stands on it? I'll let you do that while I preach the Gospel.

How are you going to defend the Gospel if you don't know what it is and can't see it so plainly laid out?

Read it. It's right there.

 

[quantumfaith]

The Gospel is the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Christ, whether we "receive" it or not. That is the Gospel period. Nothing else needs to be added to it.

It's still the Gospel without mans Response. Dying is in there twice. Where is the burial and Resurrection in that message? It is missing the elements that are its necessary components or it is not the Gospel at all. The according to the Scriptures refers to His Death, burial, and Resurrection Some also include and that he was "seen."

John 3:16 is not the Gospel. The attempt to make it such is mere sentimentalism and not at all theologically accurate.

I held a revival several months back, not one person could tell me what the Gospel was. It is plainly laid out in Scripture in 1 Corinthians 15.

It amazes me other baptists slam me for asking what it is when it is our privilege to know it, and speak it, and we should jump at any chance!

Any of us who got it wrong need to lose our pride and accept the fact we were wrong and learn what it is, and where it is.

What about the virgin birth?

 

[preacher4truth]

What about the virgin birth?

Let this answer for you:

Did the Word say "...and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

or does it say: "...and shalt believe in thine heart he was born of a virgin, thou shalt be saved."

I'll let you determine which one is correct.

Only one contains the main part of the Gospel, and that is the one I will preach.

 

[quantumfaith]

Let this answer for you:

Did the Word say "...and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

or does it say: "...and shalt believe in thine heart he was born of a virgin, thou shalt be saved."

I'll let you determine which one is correct.

Only one contains the main part of the Gospel, and that is the one I will preach.

Thank you for allowing me some amount of free will.

 

[preacher4truth]

Thank you for allowing me some amount of free will.

How many straw men will you invoke?

:wavey:

Answer the question. Which is it?


:thumbsup:

 

[quantumfaith]

How many straw men will you invoke?

:wavey:

Answer the question. Which is it?


:thumbsup:

Do you have ANY concept of levity, whatsoever?

 

[quantumfaith]

How many straw men will you invoke?

:wavey:

Answer the question. Which is it?


:thumbsup:

Well, I dont have the power to see and know a mans salvation. The only thing I can see is outward. But, I would have "reservations" about anyone claiming salvation without acceptance of the virgin birth. So yes, I think, the virgin birth is an essential of the Gospel.

Does that answer your question to me?

 

[DHK]

I find it irresistible that after a 30 page limit, I must close this thread.