Is it even Biblical to Pray for a Person’s Salvation?

[salzer mtn]

salzwr Mnt...




Its not easy to ditch something that one holds dear. I know..I was once a calvinist

Keep an open mind, stay in the scriptures, and listen to other views. Truth will become aparant.


God bless brother.

Well, we both have something in common, I was once a Arminian

 

[salzer mtn]

I think you meant to say that there wasn't "an ounce of truth to this post"...
In lieu of what you posted:
I think that is what you meant to convey no?

Am i speaking in an unknown tongue or something ?

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Am i speaking in an unknown tongue or something ?

Yes.........

 

[pinoybaptist]

No, its just that believe that you atke calvinism to an extreme that scriptures do NOT teach or maintain!

such as ? please be a little more specific. (actually, the such as should say what I mean, but the software says my input was too short).

 

[Tom Butler]

Tom, I believe that only by the direct operation of the Holy Spirit can eternal life be brought to the dead sinner (John 3 :6-8)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit..

I also believe that the gospel brings life and immortality to light, but doesn't produce life (2 Tim.1: 10).

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

So your telling me that because of these beliefs, taken directly from scripture that you consider me a Hyper-Calvinist?

No, because I appeal to the same scriptures. The Holy Spirit is sovereign, and operates as He wills. Among his operations are illumination of the mind, conviction of the heart, and regeneration (the New Birth). It is the Spirit who applies the gospel to our hearts and minds and draws us to repentance and faith. And the Spirit gives us repentance and saving faith. This, in my view, is real salvation by grace.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No, because I appeal to the same scriptures. The Holy Spirit is sovereign, and operates as He wills. Among his operations are illumination of the mind, conviction of the heart, and regeneration (the New Birth). It is the Spirit who applies the gospel to our hearts and minds and draws us to repentance and faith. And the Spirit gives us repentance and saving faith. This, in my view, is real salvation by grace.

If that were the case then children dieing in childbirth would not be saved.

 

[saturneptune]

Am i speaking in an unknown tongue or something ?

Yes, most from Tennessee do.

 

[saturneptune]

If that were the case then children dieing in childbirth would not be saved.

Oh really, regardless if one is a saved Primitive Baptist or a Freewill Baptist, faith came by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The infant, the mentally challanged, those to young to understand the Gospel are addressed in Romans 7:8-10. We have invented the phrase "age of accountability" which is a good enough term to understand the concept.

Most of this whole thread is debating man made divisions and how they interpret Scripture. What is so hard about understanding faith comes by hearing...........

The Primitive Baptists on this board are IMO no doubt saved beyond a doubt, in fact, I find their demeanor superior to most. The fact is however, somewhere, somehow, they heard the Gospel. God does not sit on His thrown with His magic star wand zapping people all the day long.

 

[woodsman69]

I pray that God would convict the sinner in question of their sin and I hope that they will excercise their free will by repenting and believing.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Oh really, regardless if one is a saved Primitive Baptist or a Freewill Baptist, faith came by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The infant, the mentally challanged, those to young to understand the Gospel are addressed in Romans 7:8-10. We have invented the phrase "age of accountability" which is a good enough term to understand the concept.

Most of this whole thread is debating man made divisions and how they interpret Scripture. What is so hard about understanding faith comes by hearing...........

The Primitive Baptists on this board are IMO no doubt saved beyond a doubt, in fact, I find their demeanor superior to most. The fact is however, somewhere, somehow, they heard the Gospel. God does not sit on His thrown with His magic star wand zapping people all the day long.

That's right...you've invented. That does not cut it with me.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I pray that God would convict the sinner in question of their sin and I hope that they will excercise their free will by repenting and believing.

What are you babbling about.

 

[woodsman69]

What are you babbling about.

WOW! My first post on this board and already I get flamed!!!! And this is supposed to be a Christian website, what a joke. Thanks for the education Brother.

 

[pinoybaptist]

such as ? please be a little more specific. (actually, the such as should say what I mean, but the software says my input was too short).

I'd like to repeat this question, and anybody may answer who knows of any Scripture we Primitive Baptists (please do not lump us with Calvinists, no reflection on them, but anyone who does so already shows he knows nothing much about Primitive Baptists) take to an extreme that Scriptures do not teach.

 

[pinoybaptist]

WOW! My first post on this board and already I get flamed!!!! And this is supposed to be a Christian website, what a joke. Thanks for the education Brother.

actually, Paul was called a babbler in the jargon of his days.
so you're in good company.

 

[woodsman69]

actually, Paul was called a babbler in the jargon of his days.
so you're in good company.

Well pretty much I am done with this site.

 

[Oldtimer]

WOW! My first post on this board and already I get flamed!!!! And this is supposed to be a Christian website, what a joke. Thanks for the education Brother.

Welcome, Brother. :wavey:

I'm sorry your first post was treated with such rudeness. :tear:

There are many on this board who do not agree with that person's opinions and viewpoints.

Please do stay around and get to know the rest of us. That said, be forewarned. This is a Baptist Board.
Thus, we do have fights about the color of carpet in the center isle of the church.

You have the option of joining the fray with your choice of color or standing on the side lines and just watching. If I were a betting person, I'd bet you'd be shaking your head, as often as I do.

Speaking as a layman, or shaking your head wondering "what in the heck are they talking about?".

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

WOW! My first post on this board and already I get flamed!!!! And this is supposed to be a Christian website, what a joke. Thanks for the education Brother.

so now your a victim...:laugh:

 

[salzer mtn]

Well pretty much I am done with this site.

Jer 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses ? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trusteth, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan ?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'd like to repeat this question, and anybody may answer who knows of any Scripture we Primitive Baptists (please do not lump us with Calvinists, no reflection on them, but anyone who does so already shows he knows nothing much about Primitive Baptists) take to an extreme that Scriptures do not teach.

I have said that a myrad of times already Pino....I for one would never accept a Calvinist label. Yuk!!!

 

[salzer mtn]

Out of curiosity what do Calvinist believe that other grace people don't believe other than infant baptism ?