Is it idolatry?

[David Kent]

The "kissing" in the OP was meant to show reverence toward that which symbolizes / represents Christ. The parallel is consuming bread and wine which is also said to symbolize / represent Christ.

Nobody knows what Jesus looked like. So there can be no image of him.

By the way. I am intrigued by your name. I take it that it is not your real name. Do you take it from Michael Walpole a priest, who wrote a Treatis of Antichrist in 1613, confirming the false futurist teachings of Cardinal Bellarmine. Teachings which 200 years later were accepted by protestants and later still by mainly American Baptists and Evangelicals.

His real name was Michael Walpole.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Oh the Jig is up. Next tell everyone else how they worship the pope by observing sunday worship.

“Marvelous in her shrewdness and cunning is the Roman Church. She can read what is to be. She bides her time, seeing that the Protestant churches are paying her homage in their acceptance of the false Sabbath. . . . And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And has she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries” (ibid., 507–8).

Great quote. Accurate. Succinct. Thanks for sharing it. What book is that from?

 

[Alofa Atu]

Accuser Faith.

Is that addressing the question of "Which is idolatry?" I was hoping for you to defend the actions captured in the images of the Romanists.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Spoken by the infallible prophetess Ellen G white. who's writings are automaticly God DICTATED and holy scripture.

OH your prophetess actual name is 666.....hail satan.

Um, the "son of perdition" is a man (hence "son"), not a woman ("daughter", unless you are gender blind?). Also, why are you using a Latin Gematria on an English and Germanic name?, that's quite silly. Also, the antichrist is identified as "beast", a religio-political system, in Revelation 13:1-2, and sister White wrote against the union of church and state (which Romanism declares to be its right) in the very book you quoted from (Great Controversy). Even the very number 666 in koine Greek has meaning, which precludes a woman, since it uses the numerical for "Father", and "unmarried" at that. Do you really expect me to take you or that shoddy attempt at obfuscation seriously?

 

[Adonia]

Is that addressing the question of "Which is idolatry?" I was hoping for you to defend the actions captured in the images of the Romanists.

The place where you got that picture is nothing but an online version of a Chick tract. I was having trouble finding the place where it describes how we grind up little babies so we can put them in our eucharistic wafer, can you tell me where it is located?

 

[Adonia]

And Mary or any other "saint" you pray to.

Yes, we do not worship them either - none of them are God.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Seventh day adventist holy symbol with upside down crosses and 6's. with bibles set on fire.

Let me see if I understand you. You think that the 'ecumenical' logo (which looks like all the other churches logo's) has an upside down cross in it (which had to be manually drawn in), and that it is satanic? You think that because it has flames on it (symbolic of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost) you think it is satanic? You think there is a hidden triangle (which had to be manually drawn in, and neglecting the actual contours), of which even Romanism uses 'triangles' religiously for symbol of their (pagan) 'trinity' (seriously)? You think that there is a hidden '6' in the golden lines (when it had to be drawn in and again neglecting the actual contours of the southern tips, though including the northern tips)?

Actually I use the original 'logo' of the 3 Angels:

This one:

So do you find this upside down cross to be satanic?

Looks like the man is on fire:

Triangles:

Triple 6's:

 

[Adonia]

Then by all means show me a holy person or one who lives a holy life. I've never met even one single person who is perfect.

Correct, no man is perfect, but don't we at least strive for holiness as we live our lives? When I help a homeless person, minister to the sick, or am deep in prayer that is holiness. If I have lustfull thoughts, refuse to help those in need, and sometimes just be a jerk, holiness is far, far away.

 

[Alofa Atu]

I was having trouble finding the place where it describes how we grind up little babies so we can put them in our eucharistic wafer, can you tell me where it is located?

You do that?

 

[Adonia]

Let me see if I understand you. You think that the 'ecumenical' logo (which looks like all the other churches logo's) has an upside down cross in it (which had to be manually drawn in), and that it is satanic? You think that because it has flames on it (symbolic of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost) you think it is satanic? You think there is a hidden triangle (which had to be manually drawn in, and neglecting the actual contours), of which even Romanism uses 'triangles' religiously for symbol of their (pagan) 'trinity' (seriously)? You think that there is a hidden '6' in the golden lines (when it had to be drawn in and again neglecting the actual contours of the southern tips, though including the northern tips)?

Actually I use the original 'logo' of the 3 Angels:

This one:

So do you find this upside down cross to be satanic?

Looks like the man is on fire:

Triangles:

Triple 6's:

Oh good grief, you really need to get a life!

 

[Alofa Atu]

Yes, we do not worship them either - none of them are God.

Hyper-dulia (a made up term):

It even includes "worship" which is "in common" with that of worship of God, and so much more.

"...the Most August Virgin Mary ... this Divine Mother... Yet our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God, so that the Church even addresses to her the words with which we pray to God: "Have mercy on sinners."

… the heavenly choirs, "above whom the Holy Mother of God is exalted." ...” Augustissimae Virginis Mariae (September 12, 1897) | LEO XIII & On the Confraternity of the Holy Rosary - Papal Encyclicals

 

[Adonia]

It couldn't be his actual body as he was holding it in his hand. He only had one body.

Why not, are you saying that God Incarnate cannot separate Himself into two pieces at the same time, that He cannot be in two places at once? Good grief, we are talking about the person who made the planets, the stars, the sun and the moon. The person who can make sperm and an egg grow into a complex human being. GOD CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS! Do you deny that?

 

[Alofa Atu]

Oh good grief, you really need to get a life!

Logically refuted his argument, using his own standards, using your own symbols.

 

[Adonia]

… the heavenly choirs, "above whom the Holy Mother of God is exalted.

Yes, the Holy Mother of God - and well should she be! You people discount the Blessed (not my word but Scriptures) Mother - you treat her as a piece of meat, a common whore to be discarded after she was used. Not so!

 

[37818]

". . . Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, . . ."

 

[37818]

. . . Mother of God . . . .

No such thing.

 

[Alofa Atu]

But I feel you, Its a tough thing when you are indoctrinated to hate Catholics. Especially when your own holy prophet commands so.

That is quite a misrepresentation. Catholics are people, whom we love (including you). Catholicism is a systematic theology which thing we hate. It's even in the book you quoted:

"... But Christians of past generations observed the Sunday, supposing that in so doing they were keeping the Bible Sabbath; and there are now true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion, who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. God accepts their sincerity of purpose and their integrity before Him. ..." - GC, 449.1

"... Among the Catholics there are many who are most conscientious Christians, and who walk in all the light that shines upon them, and God will work in their behalf. ..." - Testimonies, vol. 9, pp. 241-244. (1909)

"... There are many among the Catholics who live up to the light they have far better than many who claim to believe present [41] truth, and God will just as surely test and prove them as He has tested and proved us. And just according to their willingness to stand the testing, of whatever character it may be, will be their accountability before God. From that which God has shown me, a great number will be saved from among the Catholics. ..." - 2 SAT, 40.4

 

[Adonia]

No such thing.

Frequently asked questions about Jesus and His Mother Mary answered.

1. Was Jesus God Incarnate upon this earth? Yes.
2. How did He get here? He was born of a Jewish virgin.
3. What do we call the person who gives birth? The mother of the one who was born.
4. Again, was Jesus God? Yes.

And there we have it Wilbur, proven beyond a doubt that Mary, the Jewish virgin is the Mother of God who came to earth.

 

[Oseas3]

Sure. Early on we have Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, Origen, Irenaesus, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria....consider the last one a bonus as that's six.

The issue is not whether or not we can name people who lived from 100 AD until 320ish AD (I'm actually surprised that you can't).

The point is that the Catholic Church did not exist until the early fourth century BUT Christians did exist and churches did exist. It reached back to claim a history that predated it's existence (as did the Muslims).

I am not saying that Christians did not exist between the Early Church and the Catholic Church. I am saying that there is a difference between saying Christians existed, churches existed, and the Catholic Church (capital "C") existed.

Catholics may teach that Peter was the first Pope, and Baptists may teach that John was the first Baptist, but history kinda frowns of the subjective.

The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD).[18] Ignatius of Antioch is also attributed the earliest recorded use of the term "Christianity" (Greek: Χριστιανισμός) (in Catalan) 100 A.D.[19] He died in Rome, with his relics located in the Basilica of San Clemente al Laterano. (Wikipedia)

The FIRST Beast is One from the Gentile nations, specifically from the Roman Empire.

We the Christian people or the believers in Christ JESUS know that this religious Gentile Beast did rise up out from the waters(sea) i.e. from the midst of the Gentile nations of the ancient Universal Roman Empire, the FOURTH KINGDOM (Daniel 2:v.40-43) that was DISSOLVED in Christ Era(AD) EXCEPT, yes, EXCEPT ITS RELIGIOUS SYSTEM, the Papacy and his Roman Catholic Church, the Great Whore wedded around 265 Popes until today, whose WOMAN rides upon this FIRST Beast, upon the Popes which have a NAME OF BLASPHEMY upon the 7 heads, that is Vicar, Son of God, or Vicarius Filii Dei, understand?

Another historical great blaspheme of this Roman and satanic Church is to say that our beloved Apostle Peter was the first Pope, this is a satanic blaspheme.

Scriptures say that the FIRST Beast has 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy - Revelation 13:v.1, these were the things the Word of God did say through the sealed book of Apocalypse that was with God the Father, whose seven seals were broken by JESUS to shew unto His servants things which should shortly come to pass. Rev.1:v.1

In fact this religious and devilish spiritual MONSTER has 7 heads, but to know on this only LITERALLY is not enough, what matters is identifying what these 7 heads are. Not me, but the Word of God says that the 7 heads (of this religious and spiritual MONSTER) are 7 mountains and 7 kings.

Therefore, now what matters is identifying what are these 7 mountains, on which the woman - the Whore which rides upon the Beast - sits, and also who these 7 kings are. By the way, one of the 7 heads (7 mountains) will be mortally wounded, you know? Strange, no? Can or may a mountain be wounded? No, of course not. But now, what matters is identifying what these 7 mountains are. Furthermore, the 7 heads of the FIRST Beast make part of the Red Dragon's body or is within of the religious Dragon's system. (Rev.12:v.3)

The Word of God says: "Here is the mind which hath wisdom. (our God will never agree with speculations, presumptions or conjectures) The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (In fact 42 months, no more, no more) .

These 7 kings make part of the body of the woman, they are linked within the body of the the Great Whore. Again: what matters is identifying who these 7 kings are. Who are them? They are included within the HIERARQUY of the body of the Great Whore, the Roman Catholic Church.

What matters is identifying what the 7 heads of the FIRST Beast are and where the Great Whore - the RCC - sits.

THE SEVEN (7) HEADS - 7 MOUNTAINS - IT MEANS TERRITORIAL AND SPIRITUAL STRUCTURES OF THE FIRST BEAST AND OF THE WOMAN THAT RIDES UPON THE BEAST - THE RCC


~~~~~~TERRITORIAL STRUCTURES OF THE FIRST BEAST AND OF THE WOMAN - THE RCC~~~~~~

As it is written, the seven heads of the FIRST Beast are 7 mountains on which the Woman - the Roman Catholic Church - sits, it means that the TERRITORIAL STRUCTURES of the Woman - the RCC - was built and is established on this seven mountains.

Why was written the 7 heads are 7 mountains? Now, now, it's because at that time or near two thousand years ago the Earth was not known as it is today, evidently, AT THAT TIME were known only Asia (1) , and Europe(2) , and Africa(3) . Oceania(Australia)(4), and North America(5), and Central America(6), and South America(7) were not known at that time. These are the 7 mountains where the Beast of the sea and the Great Whore, which rides upon the Beast, are located with headquarters in Vatican City.

 

[Alofa Atu]

that He cannot be in two places at once

Jesus ascended into Heaven, bodily (glorified at that), never to see decay, never to die again. He is represented on earth by the Holy Ghost.