Is it really "Our time to die" when murdered or killed....

[Matt22:37-39]

WOW, powerful writing when it comes from the heart. Thank you so much for sharing, it is similar in many ways to me, but unlike you I was PUSHED OUT of the church, I did not leave God or Christians on my own, it was forced upon me by Pastors who did not obey God's word but their own agenda and nit picky controlling women and pastors who didn't deal biblically with them.

I will say, that God does have a way of DRAWING us back to Himself if we are really His, that is so true, thing is we do have free will to walk away...He never moved...we did. That being said, how much sooner could God have done His work in us for "GOOD" Rom 8:2 if we had "LOVED" and turned to Him sooner...that is what I am saying in "Does Everything Happen For A Reason?" reread and compare. God can only work out "good" in a believers life as that believer ALLOWS Him...otherwise they will remain in the wilderness like the Israelite did and your ex wife is...who knows she may be saved. I mean it took 17 years for you to come back...so who knows...everyone handles hurts differently, who am I to judge and yet you do know her better than anyone.

That being said, I too tried to end it 2 weeks before my ex left me...the oppression I was receiving from all kinds of angles (like right now in my life I'm dealing with bad 10 things..none my fault) which caused me to take 8 cc of HORSE TRANQUILIZERS (3 x what you would give a horse) into my VEIN and I drank wine (that is what the website said to do) and I did not drink at the time...and basically my body was dead but not my mind. Those at the hospital were surprised it never effected my liver or other organs and I was overall ok. I let them know that yep, I'm extremely healthy. Was in a major truck accident in 2009 (2nd one not my fault)....hydroplaned and hit 5 things the 4 ft divider twice, SUV twice and a car..and I walked away...but with a shoulder injury and when they took my blood pressure they couldn't believe it was only 117/70...like it usually was...I'm use to trauma I told them. Even joked around as they were x raying my shoulder, I asked if they could do a mammogram since I was 45 and never had one yet...they laughed.

Well, my ex left me after that... one of his biggest problems was he said he never had this many problems in his life till he met me...I said, "welcome to my world it comes with the territory"...and it isn't like I caused it or look for trouble, I don't. I live a pretty good upstanding life. So must be God's will?

I did my thing for 4 years, not that it was really bad, just away from Christians and dating and having sex with a few...my mind wasn't on Godly things. I came back to the Lord last June. looking back now I can see why God has allowed many things and my meeting all kinds of people that I He use later to help others.

I also think for those of us with a giving and willing heart that wants to truly minister to others...God has to make us FEEL EMPATHY and COMPASSION for others and how else can we do that if we haven't "been there done that?"...

Righteousdude, you were right to find a Godly woman to stand by your side and lift you up and encourage you to be all that God wants to be..the man is the head and he should lead...but he should lead with confidence IN the Lord and in LOVE. I always say I have no problem following, but only because I trust ones sound judgement..not dictatorship

One of the main problems in my marriage is my ex didn't lead in anyway shape or form with me or the kids..I did everything (he did work for the Gov and made lots of money) I resented the fact he was wimpy and he resented the fact that I didn't RESPECT him...not a good mix...in fact we had a pastor (the one who hit on me) say that I should have been the man and he the woman...just like the pastor who said we were TOO opposite.

OH well, God bless you and thanks for sharing!

 

[righteousdude2]

Actually,

WOW, powerful writing when it comes from the heart. Thank you so much for sharing, it is similar in many ways to me, but unlike you I was PUSHED OUT of the church,
OH well, God bless you and thanks for sharing!

...I was in my second year of a three-year ordination program with the COG Anderson, Indiana. Once I was divorced, they kicked me out, and told the church, I pastored that if I remained [which they wanted to keep me], they too would lose their affiliation with the COG. This was too much for the old timers, so I graciously left. That, and my divorce was what set me into a years-long rant and rage of anger.

So glad God didn't take personal the names I called Him in the heat of anger and pain!

So sorry I forgot to but that in the testimony. It was the key to everything that sent me out and into the world.

As you see, this is why I say there are similarities in our paths. I do understand those who lost it all due to failed marriages, and I want to minister to them.

I discovered, later in life, that while I was told by my mentors and the elders of the COG that if I divorced I'd be sinning, "big time" there was no sin TOO big that God didn't and couldn't forgive, including divorce and remarriage.

As far as I know there is but one sin God doesn't forgive, and that is blasphemy. Can I get an "Amen?" raying: :wavey:

 

[salzer mtn]

WOW, powerful writing when it comes from the heart. Thank you so much for sharing, it is similar in many ways to me, but unlike you I was PUSHED OUT of the church, I did not leave God or Christians on my own, it was forced upon me by Pastors who did not obey God's word but their own agenda and nit picky controlling women and pastors who didn't deal biblically with them.

I will say, that God does have a way of DRAWING us back to Himself if we are really His, that is so true, thing is we do have free will to walk away...He never moved...we did. That being said, how much sooner could God have done His work in us for "GOOD" Rom 8:2 if we had "LOVED" and turned to Him sooner...that is what I am saying in "Does Everything Happen For A Reason?" reread and compare. God can only work out "good" in a believers life as that believer ALLOWS Him...otherwise they will remain in the wilderness like the Israelite did and your ex wife is...who knows she may be saved. I mean it took 17 years for you to come back...so who knows...everyone handles hurts differently, who am I to judge and yet you do know her better than anyone.

That being said, I too tried to end it 2 weeks before my ex left me...the oppression I was receiving from all kinds of angles (like right now in my life I'm dealing with bad 10 things..none my fault) which caused me to take 8 cc of HORSE TRANQUILIZERS (3 x what you would give a horse) into my VEIN and I drank wine (that is what the website said to do) and I did not drink at the time...and basically my body was dead but not my mind. Those at the hospital were surprised it never effected my liver or other organs and I was overall ok. I let them know that yep, I'm extremely healthy. Was in a major truck accident in 2009 (2nd one not my fault)....hydroplaned and hit 5 things the 4 ft divider twice, SUV twice and a car..and I walked away...but with a shoulder injury and when they took my blood pressure they couldn't believe it was only 117/70...like it usually was...I'm use to trauma I told them. Even joked around as they were x raying my shoulder, I asked if they could do a mammogram since I was 45 and never had one yet...they laughed.

Well, my ex left me after that... one of his biggest problems was he said he never had this many problems in his life till he met me...I said, "welcome to my world it comes with the territory"...and it isn't like I caused it or look for trouble, I don't. I live a pretty good upstanding life. So must be God's will?

I did my thing for 4 years, not that it was really bad, just away from Christians and dating and having sex with a few...my mind wasn't on Godly things. I came back to the Lord last June. looking back now I can see why God has allowed many things and my meeting all kinds of people that I He use later to help others.

OK, I see and is pretty much the way I figure it...thing is as far as "bad choice" the sad truth is there ISN'T much to choose from...lol

I got married at 28 and he was my 9th proposal, out of those who were pretty serious about me, yet I wasn't for them.

Anyway, there were some warning signs, yet because I had never lived with a man nor had I had a long term relationship before (very picky and independent, and I was a single mother and celibate for 6 years...yes I had proposals during that time) I didn't know what I was in for...bottom line we were WAY TOO opposite in almost everything except doctrine, politics, and only a few other things.

He left me unbiblically after 17 years cause he never wanted to work on it, (communication was extremely hard for him) just like his 20 years marriage and he left her as well and now he is on his 3rd...all Christian??? Why does God allow him to (SIN) continue yet I deserve a good man yet there are none to be found or they are taken already.

Anyway, I can look back and see all the blessing that were there for me and my kids, so not all was wasted...I think God knows we are all so imperfect that He can only do so much with us...
THE MATH IS NOT ADDING UP HERE, FROM READING POST 30 AND THIS POST YOU ARE EITHER 65 OR 49 SO WHICH IS IT ?

 

[Matt22:37-39]

...I was in my second year of a three-year ordination program with the COG Anderson, Indiana. Once I was divorced, they kicked me out, and told the church, I pastored that if I remained [which they wanted to keep me], they too would lose their affiliation with the COG. This was too much for the old timers, so I graciously left. That, and my divorce was what set me into a years-long rant and rage of anger.

So glad God didn't take personal the names I called Him in the heat of anger and pain!

So sorry I forgot to but that in the testimony. It was the key to everything that sent me out and into the world.

As you see, this is why I say there are similarities in our paths. I do understand those who lost it all due to failed marriages, and I want to minister to them.

I discovered, later in life, that while I was told by my mentors and the elders of the COG that if I divorced I'd be sinning, "big time" there was no sin TOO big that God didn't and couldn't forgive, including divorce and remarriage.

As far as I know there is but one sin God doesn't forgive, and that is blasphemy. Can I get an "Amen?" raying: :wavey:

OK sorry, so you do understand...

I would have never gone out into the world although always trying to get back in. If it hadn't been for the SPIRITUAL ABUSE.

I'm so sorry you went through that, but like me God had a bigger plan that Satan cannot hinder. Knowing that alone is what keeps me going...to run my race, to be a faithful servant.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

Salzer I'll be 50 May 20th anything else you want to know?

so I guess it did add up

 

[Iconoclast]

I was waiting for someone to say that, heres the thing

Why would God put two people together after much prayer, both Christians, conformation from family and friends, etc. "What God has joined together let no man separate"...the bible says.

Doesn't make sense that God would put to believers together KNOWING they would separate?

It's called God not going against mans free will.

Do not confuse this with the discussion of God's will.The events if presented with an accurate timeline , will tell a different story 99 out of 100 times.

"Both Christians"...is a stretch....

He left me unbiblically after 17 years cause he never wanted to work on it, (communication was extremely hard for him) just like his 20 years marriage and he left her as well and now he is on his 3rd...all Christian???

I doubt it.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

We are both saved, both have a wonderful testimony, both had sound doctrine...he was saved...God doesn't change ones temperament...he was a Phlegmatic/Sanguine...not much motivation with either...at all!

Doubt all you want...no one leaves two women long term unless he has a problem and marries a 3rd..."the grass isn't greener on the other side" you've got to WATER the side you are on so it grows...most men don't know how to do that...

for one he was wounded Vietnam vet...so that may explain his problem with communication (lack of) plus his innate temperament..he also was too passive not a good trait for a man. I dealt with COVERT ABUSE and PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE behavior look it up...and yes I REACTED to it...who wouldn't?

That's ok you can defend him cause he is a man...they can get away with much more than women...even in the bible they always did...woman caught in adultry, 700 wives or just more than one was ok....I could go on

 

[Iconoclast]

We are both saved, both have a wonderful testimony, both had sound doctrine...he was saved...God doesn't change ones temperament...he was a Phlegmatic/Sanguine...not much motivation with either...at all!

Doubt all you want...no one leaves two women long term unless he has a problem and marries a 3rd..."the grass isn't greener on the other side" you've got to WATER the side you are on so it grows...most men don't know how to do that...

for one he was wounded Vietnam vet...so that may explain his problem with communication (lack of) plus his innate temperament..he also was too passive not a good trait for a man. I dealt with COVERT ABUSE and PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE behavior look it up...and yes I REACTED to it...who wouldn't?

That's ok you can defend him cause he is a man...they can get away with much more than women...even in the bible they always did...woman caught in adultry, 700 wives or just more than one was ok....I could go on

I do not defend him...or you.Sin is indefensible.Sounds as if there is all manner of sin involved in this.The indication is nothing was done God's way back then,and even now. God will not be mocked.Sin covered will be exposed in time. A religious band aid, does not make the wounds go away.

 

[Yeshua1]

I do not defend him...or you.Sin is indefensible.Sounds as if there is all manner of sin involved in this.The indication is nothing was done God's way back then,and even now. God will not be mocked.Sin covered will be exposed in time. A religious band aid, does not make the wounds go away.

this is NOT meant to be a judgement, but there does seem to be something not quite right, like all the details were missed in the story!

And do think that there would hve been flashing red lights from the lord to "slow down/danger ahead!"

 

[Matt22:37-39]

The only sin in our marriage was being too different...or is it sin for a man to NOT take charge when it comes to the family and spiritual matters?....then he sinned...for not setting up rules and boundaries and discipline for his kids (his ex's and ours) then he sinned...for not protecting standing up for what is right and communicating...then he sinned...for leaving 2 wives unbiblically (funny how you all and the church keep IGNORING this one) and then remarries, she'll be next...then he sinned.

The only sin I had was reacting verbally to his covertly abusive behavior... no one cheated (I never have nor has he) no addictions on either part, we handled our finances well and overall had a lot going for us.

But I guess it was God's will not to have my ex be the man he should have been...and who would know this really unless you live with someone first? even though so many classes and counseling was offered to him...he is 65 and the old saying is true "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"...he is what he is.

after my divorce I sought help through divorce care...counseling...groups...etc..I have always admitted my part...he hasn't.... and he NEVER HAS AT ALL!...must be God's will that he just keep doing the same stupid thing over and over.

See what most do not understand even GOD CAN'T FIX STUPID!

 

[Oldtimer]

See what most do not understand even GOD CAN'T FIX STUPID!

God can fix anything He choses to fix!!!!

I can't imagine Him looking kindly on a professing Chrstian who makes such a comment, as yours. Whether in jest, being scarcastic, flippant, or any other label you may want to apply to give yourself "wiggle room".

People far more learned that I am, may be better able to address this than I can. Therefore, I'll say nothing more.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

God can fix anything He choses to fix!!!!

I can't imagine Him looking kindly on a professing Chrstian who makes such a comment, as yours. Whether in jest, being scarcastic, flippant, or any other label you may want to apply to give yourself "wiggle room".

People far more learned that I am, may be better able to address this than I can. Therefore, I'll say nothing more.

What is there to address? God gave man FREE WILL..He didn't make robots or puppets...seriously!...and Solomon was suppose to have 700 wives...give me a break!

 

[Matt22:37-39]

I see you still refuse to deal with a CHRISTIAN man (and he was) who sins over and over and gets away with it?

 

[Yeshua1]

What is there to address? God gave man FREE WILL..He didn't make robots or puppets...seriously!...and Solomon was suppose to have 700 wives...give me a break!

God gave free will to adam, he sinned, and we have free will that are free to do whatever the sin nature allows for,but do NOT have free will in the sense seems that you use!

 

[Yeshua1]

I see you still refuse to deal with a CHRISTIAN man (and he was) who sins over and over and gets away with it?

How do you know that he was ever really saved? Could he have been 'faking it" to woo you?

and has he shown at all any repentance, desire to be retored tot he lord?

And have you forgiven him fully, and dealt with tthe lord over this?

 

[Matt22:37-39]

God gave free will to adam, he sinned, and we have free will that are free to do whatever the sin nature allows for,but do NOT have free will in the sense seems that you use!

And what sense would that be?

 

[Matt22:37-39]

How do you know that he was ever really saved? Could he have been 'faking it" to woo you?

and has he shown at all any repentance, desire to be retored tot he lord?

And have you forgiven him fully, and dealt with the lord over this?

Nice, try to BLAME his sin on not being saved..believe me he was...I'm a smart women I know when someone is sincere in their faith or not. He got saved like I did at 22...he got baptized soon after, he faithfully went to church ever since and still does 40 years. Never looked at porn, faithful, He has the same doctrine I do...sound!..He went to a Swedish Baptist church that taught the same thing my Baptist pastor taught, even thought he was called to preach...had many books on the bible like I do..and so much more...he was just WEAK and had a hard time putting what he knew in his head and heart inot actions...he had the WEAKEST of temperament blends...PHLEGMATIC/SANGUINE...Phlegmatics hate to do anything and Sanguines don't want to do anything that isn't "fun"...so yo have someone who doesn't want to do anything and especially if it ain't FUN!...not a very good combination!

If he wasn't saved no one is!...like I said God cannot fix STUPID or one PERSONALITY...it is what it is!

btw, he was a very nice guy, funny, book smart, good with the kids and fun, has an art/cartoon ministry, (retired FAA) provided financially security etc...he loved me and still does, (showed me in many ways) or at least that he is what has told others....we just don't work well together...maybe if our sexes were switched than more likely it would have been great!

 

[Matt22:37-39]

BTW, if anyone is reading what I actually wrote you would see it isn't my exes SIN I'm having a problem with it is God allowing it without any accountability...from the church or even to me etc.

Just proves man has a free will that even God can only do so much with...like I said ONLY to the one who seeks after God and turns to Him, (LOVE him) can they RECEIVE what is promised in Romans 8:28...that is only when they can experiences the GOOD Paul is talking about.

 

[Yeshua1]

Nice, try to BLAME his sin on not being saved..believe me he was...I'm a smart women I know when someone is sincere in their faith or not. He got saved like I did at 22...he got baptized soon after, he faithfully went to church ever since and still does 40 years. Never looked at porn, faithful, He has the same doctrine I do...sound!..He went to a Swedish Baptist church that taught the same thing my Baptist pastor taught, even thought he was called to preach...had many books on the bible like I do..and so much more...he was just WEAK and had a hard time putting what he knew in his head and heart inot actions...he had the WEAKEST of temperament blends...PHLEGMATIC/SANGUINE...Phlegmatics hate to do anything and Sanguines don't want to do anything that isn't "fun"...so yo have someone who doesn't want to do anything and especially if it ain't FUN!...not a very good combination!

If he wasn't saved no one is!...like I said God cannot fix STUPID or one PERSONALITY...it is what it is!

btw, he was a very nice guy, funny, book smart, good with the kids and fun, has an art/cartoon ministry, (retired FAA) provided financially security etc...he loved me and still does, (showed me in many ways) or at least that he is what has told others....we just don't work well together...maybe if our sexes were switched than more likely it would have been great!

jesus "fixed' peter and paul, and God fixed Jonah, do you really think that would be imposible for God to be able to do?

 

[Matt22:37-39]

jesus "fixed' peter and paul, and God fixed Jonah, do you really think that would be imposible for God to be able to do?

IDK, ex is going to be 66 in June and he hasn't yet...which proves my point of FREE WILL and the way God made them.

and we do not know the full lives of anyone in the bible, especially most of their negatives are not mentioned...just saying. Plus, the example you mentioend were of CHOLERIC temperament and we are the ones that GET THINGS done!...lol...and we have other areas that are constant battles