Is it really "Our time to die" when murdered or killed....

[salzer mtn]

....at the hand of another's anger, drunkenness, or foolishness; or mother natures acts??

Someone said to me the other day, about those who died in Boston and West, TX, that it was "just" their time!

My question is: "Was it?"

I know that we all have an appointed time to die; but, does God, who apparently has that time all planned out, allow it to come by way of evil or a senseless accident? Or maybe even during a natural disaster?

I am just thinking out loud, but are things that happen to take a life from this earth, other than some form of age related, or illness-related death, His plan or will for us. Even in a Does God put some here just to die in battle or in the heat of a war?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I do not think that people who are killed, like on 9/11 were necessarily meant to die then. I think those are unnatural deaths, and that they take life before the pre-ordained time God had set upon that life when they came into this life?

Are some people just taken prematurely, and not in line with God's plan for his or her life? After all, would God really allow a Child of His to die at the hands of a brutal, homicidal maniac?

We can either believe God is in full control of everything which would be faith or we can try to figure God out in every thing we don't understand which would lead to questioning God and unbelief. The bible say's Psa 37:23 the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. This scripture tells me however God chooses to take one of his children out of this world, he ordered it. Why would God order be this way is none of my business. Who am i to question God. When we think of 9/11 deaths or the Boston bombing some people think of innocent victims that were killed by a terrorist before their time. The truth is, what do we know of the lives of the ones that were killed. The victims could have been as vile of sinners in Gods sight as the terrorist. Other than Christian people, America has turned her back on God. You may say, what harm does is it for anyone that goes out and run's a merithon. The bible says in the last day's men will be lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. One of the sins of Sodom was idolness. America has became idol people and pleasure seakers. American people wants a life of intertainment. I don't question why God allows certain things to happen, i marvel at the fact he hasn't already destroyed us all.

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm tempted to start a new thread on the will of God, but since His will is directly related to the OP, I'm keeping it here.

It would be nice if we could simply ask God about this question. We do have enough Scripture to shed some light on the subject.e

The first one that comes to mind is Psalms 135:6


Here's another one: Isaiah 46:10


One more: Daniel 4:35


These verses, and several others, establish God's absolute sovereignty. Stated briefly, God does what He wants to.

If that is the case, then His purpose must include evil as well as good.

Okay, then, if that's true, isn't God the author of evil? Nope. God has decided to permit evil, to accomplish his purpose. Why? Don't know. But it is clear that He does.

And because of God's character, His perfection, His holiness, it must follow that
it is right for God to permit some sin.
Psalm 76:10:
God's permissive will in action.

On the other hand God is the active cause of everything good. We see this in Philippians 2:13:


I'm going to pause here, and let this sink in, and invite reaction and comment.

I'll drop in a bit later to develop this furher.

Seems that the concept of us being totally in the will opf God once saved, that he knows when and how we die, should be great encoragement to us, but seems that many see that as somehow either violating their free will, or else want to say that we have fate/chance/luck in play!

 

[Tom Butler]

A couple other scriptures to consider:
Job 14:5

[Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass

Acts 17:;26, Paul preaching to the philosophers on Mars Hill in Athens:

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Here, Paul says God has determined not only how long we will live but where we will live.

 

[percho]

I voted the last option.

Made me think of one of my all time favorite movies, "Here Comes Mister Jordan," the original with Robert Montgomery not the remakes by other names.