Is it really SIN to be angry with God ?

[RightFromWrong]

I never accused anyone here of having a unhealthy relationship that was you. I made a general statement, if you took it personal that is your problem.

I noticed you didn't get on Joseph and Aarons case for attacking me and calling me names and distoring my story accusing me of lying ? Where were you for that if you are so quick to point out truths. You seem a bit partial.

My point still remains that yes we need to teach our children how to handle their emotions. And we do. But just taking human nature as it is. We still love our children even if they expressed their feelings wrong. Hopefully we do not punish them, and neither does God. In fact his response and reaction to our hurt of injustice is GREATER ! Most children respond out of selfish motives their anger and that needs to be corrected no doubt. But if he vents out because of injustice how does a parent correct that ? Does the parent see that as SIN I sure hope not, he should see it for what it is, confusion and a misunderstanding. I rest my case

They are different reactions which DEMAND different RESPONSES !

By the way Bapmom God isn't able to SIT right down with us when we are struggling and questioning him. It sure would make things a whole lot easier if he would.

[ September 06, 2005, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: RightFromWrong ]

 

[RightFromWrong]

Answer me this ALL

If God is called our FATHER
wouldn't it make sense that as a FATHER we should be able to go to him with our pain, our questioning, our even being mad at him ?

According to scripture God is BETTER and GREATER and more LOVING, than any Father here on earth.MATT 7:11

Jesus said " If YOU then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your father who is in Heaven give what is good to those who ask him "

How many times have our children ( you may not understand this if you don't have children just think about when you were little )
Come to US and question our judgment, or complained to US and say hey that isn't fair ( they not seeing the whole picture ) or how about this one " I'm Mad at you " or "I hate you " Teenagers huh ?

Anyway my point is this. A loving parent would NEVER punish a child for sharing his TURE feelings no matter how WRONG those feelings are. Yes their perseption may be wrong and so is their attitude. But a LOVING parent is BIGGER than that, he sees where the child is comming from, doesn't take it PERSONALLY and tries to understand and HELP that child see the TRUTH and move on to MATURITY.

This is the bottom line of my arguement and I am RIGHT ! ( wish I had thought of this truth before, this truth dawned on me last night and is the crutch Of what I beleive to be true and so do most people)

GOD is greater, and bigger than our understanding, people need to quit being so quick to put God in little boxes.

Growing up I didn't have a good father figure. He sure wasn't great at giving gifts. He also wasn't great when it came to questioning him, he'd as soon knock your block off for daring to question his authority , and feelings, oh no ! don't share those you big baby !

So If I see God as a father I can complain to, question when I am confused and even shake my fist at once in awhile, then maybe I'm not the one with the problem. Maybe I'm the one who has the healthy relationship with my heavenly father, he isn't like earthy fathers HE UNDERSTANDS !

 

[bapmom]

"By the way Bapmom God isn't able to SIT right down with us when we are struggling and questioning him. It sure would make things a whole lot easier if he would."

Sure God does! I sit down with Him all the time and talk to Him about whats bothering me, and whats going on in my life, and on and on.....if I were Him Id get sick of it....lol but I know He doesn't! Amen!?

As to my chastising Aaron and Joseph Botwinick....for one thing, Im a new member here! Ive already unwittingly stirred things up here so much you really think Id dare to "chastise" veteran members and moderators!? I have not bothered to go through and read all ELEVEN pages of this thread. If you have that much time, more poweer to ya'! Its also not my job to keep anyone else in line, no matter how much I might like to....it is a temptation which I deal with quite often!

I haven't thought I was chastising you up until you started PMing me with stuff this morning. Now I realize that your only point in starting this thread was to point out how right you are! Several times you've said things along the lines of "I'm RIGHT!" and left at least me with the idea that you think you are right and the rest of us can go chase ourselves. Why ask for thoughts then? You asked for our thoughts, we gave them to you.

Look, you get your point, I get your point, let's just leave it at that.

I for one, want to be done with it.

 

[Salamander]

"Rightfromwrong":

Anyway my point is this. A loving parent would NEVER punish a child for sharing his TURE feelings no matter how WRONG those feelings are. Yes their perseption may be wrong and so is their attitude. But a LOVING parent is BIGGER than that, he sees where the child is comming from, doesn't take it PERSONALLY and tries to understand and HELP that child see the TRUTH and move on to MATURITY.

"Let this cup pass from me, nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done"

Jesus drank of that bitter cup, then proceeded to bare the Cross to Calvary; where God took out all His wrath upon Him Who became sin for us.

Did I miss something? Or didn't God the Father deal with how His Only Begotten feel?

Maybe emotionalism has too much precedence in the human relationship between father and son, but as the Lord has led, my children do get corrected as their hearts reveal an incorrect thought process about life, in general, to morally speaking. And no matter how "heartfelt" their ideas may be, if a consistency in misdirected thinking ensues, chastisement will drive foolishness from the heart of the child, God SAID SO!!!

May be that "rightfromwrong" needs to learn Right from WRONG.

 

[bapmom]

Perhaps the misconception comes in when it comes to "punishment."

RFW, you just there in your post quoted by Salamander, you JUST SAID that those sentiments CAN BE WRONG! Thats all we are saying! At least thats all IM saying!

CORRECTION is needed, not a fearful punishment, God just waiting to squish us....but loving correction, telling us rather how we should be thinking.

 

[RightFromWrong]

Yeah Ok I get it. believe me I do get more than you think.

I may sound a bit defensive and arrogant because I feel I am not getting much backup, but getting picked on instead. I'll leave it at that.

By the way Bapmom....Joseph and Aaron are NOT moderators they are just as plain as me, and I've been here longer than you too.

 

[RightFromWrong]

 

[RightFromWrong]

I started this thread Bapmom, so I would think I would have all the right in the world, to defend my original post wouldn't you think.

I noticed you just came on Sat and already have close to a hundred post. Maybe you should have read all 11 post in this thread before giving your opinion.

I always read every single post in a thread before I voice my opinion. To me if someone said basically the same thing I was going to say. I just say RIGHT ON you said it right.

You'll learn I hope.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Frogman:
Dear Joseph,
I do thank you for your prayers and I do need them as often as the Lord will burden your heart for me.

Bro. Dallas

Bro. Eaton,

The odds are that if you post long enough, you will eventually post something you wish you hadn't or communicate it in the wrong way. Those odds have caught up with me. I meant that first sentence for both you and RFW. The last statement was meant only for RFW. My apologies.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Frogman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Job 19:22 (KJV) Why do ye persecute me as God, and are not satisfied with my flesh?

This is an odd saying, isn't it?

May God bless us all with the truth so that if we are asked to go a mile with a brother or sister we shall go two.

Bro. Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]Bro. Dallas, please go back to the first page and notice my statements and quotes from Job and I think you will have my response to this argument. I think it is very clear that God did not take too well to Job's criticism of God and that Job, indeed, repented in ashes and dust after a stinging rebuke from God. Now, if Job did not sin, why would he need to repent?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
RIGHT ON Frogman I wrote that same truth in my beggining post of this thread, not sure what page that was.

You can't hide anything from God anyway, like you can your parents. So just be real. It isn't till we are real with God can we get true understanding so we can grow and move on. You can't get answers if you don't ask any questions.

If we say it is so wrong to question God or point our fingers at him. Then we remain in denial and just ACT like we are fine when in reality we are not. Lots of PHONEY Christians walking around with lots of hurt and pain. All because they are stuck. And why are they stuck because people like Aaron, Joseph, Art, are telling them they are sinning if they share their true feelings. Sad

1. They are stuck in their sin because of their total depravity. It is the grace of God which frees them from sin.

2. The Bible says it is a sin to be angry at God, or else Job would have been totally justified to criticize God, would not have recieved a stinging rebuke for doing so, and would not have repented.

3. Your problem is not with me or Aaron, it is with God and his word.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
You all need to get it through your thick heads. I am not angry at God I merley posted a question in regard to what my Pastor had said during a sermon. Having a pretty good understanding of the subject since I have personally studied it, I presented it.

I am now debating that question. It is not personal, I am not having any problems with God in my life or any other problems, but with you who do not get it.

This is a debate do not make it personal. I am RIGHT as I showed in my last post on my example of an earthly father and our Heavenly Father.
Try explaining that example away and you just may have a case. But you can't !

By the way BAPMOM according to Joseph_Botwinick
JOB DID SIN !

Of course he did. All have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of God. It's in the Bible. Check it out sometime.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
Bapmom I have already admitted that SELFISH anger IS wrong, righteous anger isn't wrong. righteous anger involves feelings of INJUSTICE.

Seperate the two and you just may get my point !


BE ANGRY, BUT IN YOUR ANGER DO NOT SIN !

The only way anger at God could possibly be righteous is if God actually did something wrong. This is never the case. Being angry at God is never righteous or justifiable. It is common, but it is sin, just like many other common sins.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
I noticed you didn't get on Joseph and Aarons case for attacking me and calling me names and distoring my story accusing me of lying ? Where were you for that if you are so quick to point out truths. You seem a bit partial.

That is because none of that ever happened.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[RightFromWrong]

I just reported you joseph for just a few of your rude and mean comments to me here are a few below.....JOSEPH WROTE......

You and your pastor are teaching blasphemy if you think it is ok (or even righteous anger) to be angry at God. It may be common, and even a natural and expected response. But, it is in no way alright, and is sinful.

2.You are one of the most judgemental people I have met in a long while, and on top of that, you are very prideful and arrogant in your "compassion".
1. I am guessing that we are hearing one side of the story so we'll just have to take your word for it. I am detecting, however, a bit of the ole "I'm the innocent martyr" complex coming from you.

2. I am also guessing that you now know that it is a very stupid thing to do to push a police officer when they are trying to hancuff you. I hope you learned your lesson here and won't repeat that mistake.
5. If you are angry at God about something, let me tell you that you have no good reason to be, your anger is not righteous, and you need to repent of your sin and rebellion.

6. I pray that God will open your heart to the truth of the Bible, and free you from your pride, arrogance, and anger.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

RFW,

I stand by every single one of those words. If that means that I am unpopular or that the moderators agree with you, I will submit to whatever punishment is handed down, but I will not apologize for the truth. Still praying for you BTW.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[RightFromWrong]

Grow Up !

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

2 Timothy 4:1-5

11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Matthew 10:11-15

I am shaking the dust off my feet. The truth of the Word of God has been presented by me and rejected by you. Any further conversation will be fruitless and vain babbling. All I can do now is pray for you, and pray I will.

Good Day,

Joseph Botwinick

 

[RightFromWrong]

[Edited for personal attack] Like I said before I am getting alot of mail about you and it aint good. So just leave me alone and find a new victim.
Every board has a few Josephs

why they are allowed on is beyond me. Good by and good riddance.

[According to rules to which you agreed when you became a register BB user personal attacks are not allowed.]

[ September 06, 2005, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

1. You don't know me at all. You are very judgemental.

2. If others are e-mailing you to gossip about me behind my back, then they are cowards and I don't care what they think of me.

3. If you don't want to discuss with me, be challenged or debated, then you are the one with a problem and should probably cease from posting on the internet for your own good.

4. Still praying for you.

Good evening,

Joseph Botwinick