Is it wrong to indulge the flesh in music?

Plenty of evidence has been provided before [for the fact that "the godly old society of the past is the standard here. But then for the millionth time, their style was once new and just as offensive to earlier, plainer traditions".]
But here is some again:
Miller, Contemporary Christian Debate, p.28 mentions a lot of this, with quotes from among other things,
Allen & Borror, Worship, Rediscovering the
Missing Jewel, and Bainton Here I stand: A Life of Martin Luther. There were more, but I have to find them. Then, the same thing happened in the transition from monophnic singing (chants) to plyphonic. Plus, the biggest proof is the very thing you keep bringing up: That instruments were at one point shunned. Whenever they were intorduced; you had the same claim that it was sensual and would destroy worship.

 

Mere semantics. If I agree with something, then I have judged it to be appropriate.

We worship corporately, and I am blessed when I see others worsthip.

The words are still appropriate.

Does it matter?

The passage shows that public raising of hands in worhship is acceptable to God. Your problem is with the text.

Absolutely.

Biting off the heads of bats is not found in the Scriptures - and your arguing a slippery slope fallacy. Secondly, blood sacrifices are clearly spoken of in the book of Hebrews, so that is covered right there.

Who cares?

The Scriptures as a whole have illustrated that the offering system of the Old Covenant is no longer in place - because of the amazing sacrifice of Christ, this is no longer an issue. Meal and drink offerings are not to be offered, according to several places in the NT. If this is the best you've got, then it's clear you have very little Scriptural support on your side.

 

So now we get to the heart of the issue. You do not "feel" spirtual when singing certain types of music, so you assume its ungodly, and mean to use scriptures that could be about anything to demean those who disagree with you. By saying that we would understand what good Godly music was if only we were as spiritually discerning as you.

Sounds like a Gnostic heresy to me. We have a couple folks who support thier radical KJVO positions with the same charismatic dogma.

I like to keep my principles and standards scritprurally based thank you very much, you have answered my question fully. Your position is loosely based on some scriptures that say those who are not spiritual will not understand or appreciate the things that are of God.

I have plenty of friends and co-workers who dislike, or are disinterested in, CCM, hence, by your own proof texts, I can assume that those things are clearly of God since the natural man is offended by them. Thanks.

 

We *may* need to start a thread defining:

Indulge

Enjoy

and Beat My Body Into Subjection...

Because, obviously, there are some who feel that any enjoyment of anything, especially Music, is sin...

But, then, I would have to ask what is the Abundant Life, why should we desire it if there is no enjoyment involved?

Now, 'indulge' does normally intimate a catering to the fleshly side...

But, then if we use that definition we can't indulge our hunger legitimately either?

Enjoy, now, is another misunderstood word...

If in His Presence is Pleasure/Joy forevermore then I submit that *some* enjoyment is proper even in Worship...

Especially *if* we are the Israel of God and He inhabits the Praises of Israel...

Obviously there is a time to beat one's body into subjection especially if we are having 'eye' problems with Sisters not dressed in a way the is easy for us to stop at an acknowledgment of beauty...

In fact as I have studied Scripture and discovered that man is Spirit, Soul and Body and have further see legitimate subdivisions including the Soul having Mind, Will and Emotions...

I further submit that without emotionally content it is not possible to Worship God Fully...

And, a proper attitude is required to do so which is unattainable without some enjoyment...

Notwithstanding, being a Pentecostal/Charsimatic I am all too familiar with the tendency for some to put their 'Wills' out of gear and allow a short circuit between their 'Emotions' and 'Minds'...

God didn't call us to either mindless emotionalism or emotionless sophistry. There has to be balance...

Indulge was probably a 'baited' title...

And, we all enjoyed taking the bait...

Sadly, there are those that can not Worship where anyone else is enjoying themselves... But, then, there *are* churches *just* for them.

 

The concerns before now were centered on the simplicity of the Christian worship. There was never any real question over musical style.

It is a different argument altogether.

 

Yes.

Who cares?

God.

 

So now we get to the heart of the issue. You do not "feel" spirtual when singing certain types of music, so you assume its ungodly, and mean to use scriptures that could be about anything to demean those who disagree with you. By saying that we would understand what good Godly music was if only we were as spiritually discerning as you.</font>[/QUOTE]What do the verses I quoted which merely established the fact that those who are carnal think that spiritual things are dead have anything to do with my feelings?

You're the one pandering to feelings. You use the feelings of those who are unsaved and judge the righteousness of your worship by whether or not it's something that they would want.

But let's get back to the issue. Do you now see by the verses cited that carnal and spiritual people will have different feelings about spiritual things?

 

That's your whole response, Aaron? You don't have much of an argument, then.