Is lying ever good?

[webdog]

That's YOUR key to that passage, but that's not what Deacon is focusing on in the passage. Explain that one away...

 

[npetreley]

The key in those verses is the word 'constrained' which means they used force to get Christ to stay. Christ was wanting to continue on, He was not deceiving.

Had Christ wanted to stay, they would not have had to use force.

Yeah, I imagine they knocked him to the ground, cuffed him, and dragged him by force.

I don't think the language can be any more clear than, "He acted as if he were going farther". That's not the same thing as "He intended to go farther, but in a surprising and inexplicable lapse of foreknowledge didn't realize that they would convince him to stay".

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Luke 24:28-29 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

When they got near the village, Christ showed signs of wanting to continue on His journey. But they convinced Him to stay with them.

 

[npetreley]

When they got near the village, Christ showed signs of wanting to continue on His journey. But they convinced Him to stay with them.

"and he made as though he would have gone further"

Sorry, but not even the KJV obfuscates the obvious: That he ACTED AS IF he would have gone further.

Aside from how clear the text may be, do you think Jesus didn't know they would "convince" him to stay? Do you actually think he MEANT to continue but they talked him out of it? Like I said, a sudden and inexplicable lapse of foreknowledge in our Lord?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Albert Barnes concerning Luke 24:28

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Lu 24:28 Verse 28. He made as though he would have gone further. He did not say he would go farther, but he kept on as if it was not his intention to stop, and doubtless he would have gone on if they had not constrained him to tarry.{w} "and he made as though" Ge 32:26; Mr 6:48

Adam Clarke

He made as though he would have gone farther - That is, he was going on, as though he intended to go farther; and so he doubtless would had they not earnestly pressed him to lodge with them. His preaching had made a deep impression upon their hearts, Lu 24:32, and now they feel it their greatest privilege to entertain the preacher.

This is a constant effect of the doctrine of Christ: wherever it is felt, the Author of it, the ever-blessed Jesus, is earnestly entreated to dwell in the heart; and he who preaches it, is amply provided with the necessaries of life by those who have received his testimony.

Family Bible Notes
Family Bible Notes

Lu 24:28
Made as though he would have gone further; he kept on, giving no intimation that he would stop, till they entreated him to do so.

Treasury of Scripture Knowledge

Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
Lu 24:28
he made. That is, he was directing his steps as if to go onwards; and so he doubtless would, had he not been withheld by their friendly importunities. There is not the smallest ground for founding a charge of dissimulation against our Saviour, or affording any encouragement to dissimulation in others.

Ge 19:2; 32:26; 42:7; Mr 6:48

Matthew Poole

Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Holy Bible
Lu 24:28
Ver. 28,29. I do not understand how some conclude from hence the lawfulness of dissembling, or telling a lie, in some cases, because the evangelist saith our Saviour made as though he would have gone further, and did not; for without doubt our Saviour had gone further if the disciples had not been urgent with him to have staid: nor did he stay long there, as we shall hear by and by.

AT Robertson

A. T. Robertson's Word Pictures
Lu 24:28
Made as though (prosepoiêsato). First aorist active middle (Some MSS. have prosepoieito imperfect) indicative of prospoieô, old verb to conform oneself to, to pretend. Only here in the N.T. Of course he would have gone on if the disciples had not urged him to stay.

I am not the only one who sees the truth here. Christ would have gone on had He not been persuaded by those two men.

 

[npetreley]

I am not the only one who sees the truth here. Christ would have gone on had He not been persuaded by those two men.

Ah! The "drink blood - billions of mosquitoes can't be wrong" defense.

Numbers do not determine truth. Maybe you are one among many who see the truth. You could also be one among many who refuses to see it.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Since the next verse says they constrained Him to tarry, I will believe the truth. They had to convince Him to stay.

Luke 24:29 (KJV) But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Strong's Greek Dictionary
3849. parabiazomai
[SIZE=-1]Search for G3849 in KJVSL[/SIZE] parabiazomai parabiazomai par-ab-ee-ad'-zom-ahee from 3844 and the middle voice of 971; to force contrary to (nature), i.e. compel (by entreaty):--constrain.
See Greek 3844
See Greek 971

Christ was wont to go on, just as Scripture points out... but they constrained Him

 

[webdog]

Strong's Greek Dictionary
3849. parabiazomai
[SIZE=-1]Search for G3849 in KJVSL[/SIZE] parabiazomai parabiazomai par-ab-ee-ad'-zom-ahee from 3844 and the middle voice of 971; to force contrary to (nature), i.e. compel (by entreaty):--constrain.
See Greek 3844
See Greek 971

OK, just ignore "compel"...

 

[Brother Bob]

I think Jesus simply made it plain that He wanted to continue on. Goodness fellows, lets don't try to make a liar out of the Lord!!!!

 

[webdog]

I don't think anyones calling Him a liar, Bob, but showing that a certain deception had occured to attain the desired result or the deception...a positve result. I see that same principle throughout Scripture.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

CONSTRAIN, v.t. L., to strain, to bind. See Strain. In a general sense, to strain; to press; to urge; to drive; to exert force, physical or moral, either in urging to action or in restraining it. Hence,

1. To compel or force; to urge with irresistible power, or with a power sufficient to produce the effect.

The spirit within me constraineth me. Job 32.

I was constrained to appeal to Caesar. Acts 28.

For the love of Christ constraineth us. 2 Corinthians 5.

2. To confine by fore; to restrain from escape or action; to repress.

My sire in caves constrains the winds.

3. To hold by force; to press; to confine.

How the strait stays the slender waist constrain.

4. To constringe; to bind.

When winter frosts constrain the field with cold.

5. To tie fast; to bind; to chain; to confine.

He binds in chains the drowsy prophet, and his limbs constrains.

6. To necessitate.

Did fate or we the adulterous act constrain?

7. To force; to ravish. Not used.

8. To produce in opposition to nature; as a constrained voice; constrained notes.

According to the definition of contrain in the Websters 1828 Dictionary, constrain means force or compel. The two words are interchangeable.

There is no deception in the verses. Christ wanted to go on, the two men persuaded Him to tarry. The only deception is on the part of those who are trying to accuse the Lord of being decieving.

 

[Amy.G]

Don't you guys think this has gone on to the point of being ridiculous?
Our Lord does not lie or deceive.

It seems plain that He would have gone on His way if the 2 had not begged Him to stay. No deception there. How could you even think He would deceive anyone for any reason?

 

[Hope of Glory]

Look at the many martyrs down through history who could have saved their own lives if they had just bowed to man; but instead, they obeyed Christ and He strengthened them even at the time of death.

I think you're comparing apples to apricots here.

You seem to be equating all forms of lieing (obfuscation, etc.) with denying the Lord and worshipping man here.

So, are you going to tell that girl that she's the ugliest person you've ever seen?

 

[Amy.G]

In answer to the OP: Is lying ever good?

I wonder if we could compare the lies of Rahab or Abraham with the lies of Joseph's brothers.

Then we could ask the question, "is selling your brother into slavery ever good?"

Seems kinda silly if you look at from that angle.
How can we say that lying is ever good?

Here's the facts:
lying is a sin.
sometimes God's people lie.
God's will is still accomplished even though we mess up.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

So, are you going to tell that girl that she's the ugliest person you've ever seen?

What girl? I have never seen a girl who was ugly. I do not look at the outside, but what is on the heart.

 

[webdog]

It seems plain that He would have gone on His way if the 2 had not begged Him to stay. No deception there. How could you even think He would deceive anyone for any reason?

Amy, if it seems so plain...why does the text not say what you are saying so plainly? Jesus had no intention of going farther.

He made as though he would have gone further

 

[webdog]

What girl? I have never seen a girl who was ugly. I do not look at the outside, but what is on the heart.

So I take it you are the only man who has ever lived besides Christ to never lust...

 

[Amy.G]

Amy, if it seems so plain...why does the text not say what you are saying so plainly? Jesus had no intention of going farther.

He made as though he would have gone further

Where does the text say He was deceiving them? It doesn't say that.
Where does it say He had no intention of going farther?

You're not going to convince me that Jesus ever deceived anyone.

Romans 3
4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.

John 14
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

 

[Amy.G]

1 Peter 2
22 "Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth";*

Proverbs 12
20 Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil,

Jesus was not deceitful.

 

[Hope of Glory]

What girl? I have never seen a girl who was ugly. I do not look at the outside, but what is on the heart.

Well, that's dishonest at the least because you know exactly what she's asking.

So, you simply justify your words, even though they're not truthful in regard to the question she asked.

So, what point of obfuscation, misdirection, and distraction does it become a sin?