Is lying ever good?

Yeah, I imagine they knocked him to the ground, cuffed him, and dragged him by force.

I don't think the language can be any more clear than, "He acted as if he were going farther". That's not the same thing as "He intended to go farther, but in a surprising and inexplicable lapse of foreknowledge didn't realize that they would convince him to stay".

 

When they got near the village, Christ showed signs of wanting to continue on His journey. But they convinced Him to stay with them.

 

"and he made as though he would have gone further"

Sorry, but not even the KJV obfuscates the obvious: That he ACTED AS IF he would have gone further.

Aside from how clear the text may be, do you think Jesus didn't know they would "convince" him to stay? Do you actually think he MEANT to continue but they talked him out of it? Like I said, a sudden and inexplicable lapse of foreknowledge in our Lord?

 

Albert Barnes concerning Luke 24:28

Adam Clarke

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Treasury of Scripture Knowledge

Matthew Poole

AT Robertson

I am not the only one who sees the truth here. Christ would have gone on had He not been persuaded by those two men.

 

Ah! The "drink blood - billions of mosquitoes can't be wrong" defense.

Numbers do not determine truth. Maybe you are one among many who see the truth. You could also be one among many who refuses to see it.

 

Since the next verse says they constrained Him to tarry, I will believe the truth. They had to convince Him to stay.

Christ was wont to go on, just as Scripture points out... but they constrained Him

 

I think Jesus simply made it plain that He wanted to continue on. Goodness fellows, lets don't try to make a liar out of the Lord!!!!

 

CONSTRAIN, v.t. L., to strain, to bind. See Strain. In a general sense, to strain; to press; to urge; to drive; to exert force, physical or moral, either in urging to action or in restraining it. Hence,

1. To compel or force; to urge with irresistible power, or with a power sufficient to produce the effect.

The spirit within me constraineth me. Job 32.

I was constrained to appeal to Caesar. Acts 28.

For the love of Christ constraineth us. 2 Corinthians 5.

2. To confine by fore; to restrain from escape or action; to repress.

My sire in caves constrains the winds.

3. To hold by force; to press; to confine.

How the strait stays the slender waist constrain.

4. To constringe; to bind.

When winter frosts constrain the field with cold.

5. To tie fast; to bind; to chain; to confine.

He binds in chains the drowsy prophet, and his limbs constrains.

6. To necessitate.

Did fate or we the adulterous act constrain?

7. To force; to ravish. Not used.

8. To produce in opposition to nature; as a constrained voice; constrained notes.

According to the definition of contrain in the Websters 1828 Dictionary, constrain means force or compel. The two words are interchangeable.

There is no deception in the verses. Christ wanted to go on, the two men persuaded Him to tarry. The only deception is on the part of those who are trying to accuse the Lord of being decieving.

 

Don't you guys think this has gone on to the point of being ridiculous?
Our Lord does not lie or deceive.

It seems plain that He would have gone on His way if the 2 had not begged Him to stay. No deception there. How could you even think He would deceive anyone for any reason?

 

I think you're comparing apples to apricots here.

You seem to be equating all forms of lieing (obfuscation, etc.) with denying the Lord and worshipping man here.

So, are you going to tell that girl that she's the ugliest person you've ever seen?

 

In answer to the OP: Is lying ever good?

I wonder if we could compare the lies of Rahab or Abraham with the lies of Joseph's brothers.

Then we could ask the question, "is selling your brother into slavery ever good?"

Seems kinda silly if you look at from that angle.
How can we say that lying is ever good?

Here's the facts:
lying is a sin.
sometimes God's people lie.
God's will is still accomplished even though we mess up.

 

What girl? I have never seen a girl who was ugly. I do not look at the outside, but what is on the heart.

 

Where does the text say He was deceiving them? It doesn't say that.
Where does it say He had no intention of going farther?

You're not going to convince me that Jesus ever deceived anyone.

Romans 3
4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.

John 14
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

 

1 Peter 2
22 "Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth";*

Proverbs 12
20 Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil,

Jesus was not deceitful.

 

Well, that's dishonest at the least because you know exactly what she's asking.

So, you simply justify your words, even though they're not truthful in regard to the question she asked.

So, what point of obfuscation, misdirection, and distraction does it become a sin?