Is man restricted to his own Nature?

[MB]

I didn't say he is.God created Adam in innocence.

Yes, we all know that.

Yes, we all know that.

Yes, we all know that.

Yes, we all know that.

So, again, I ask, for the 3rd time, what part of man has not been affected by sin and is still perfectly sinless and able to go to heaven on its own merits? The body? The soul? The spirit? Which one has not been affected by the fall and remains in sinless perfection.

No man is sinless, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This still is not an inability to call on, or believe in the name of Jesus. Where does scripture say we can't believe or call on Jesus. Where does scripture say we must be regenerated first.
MB

 

[TCassidy]

No man is sinless,

We all know that.

all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

We all know that.

This still is not an inability to call on, or believe in the name of Jesus.

Not the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Where does scripture say we can't believe or call on Jesus.

Not the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Why do you keep running away and not answering my question? I will post it again. This will be the 4th time I have posted it. Please, don't run away. Answer it.

"So, again, I ask, for the 4th time, what part of man has not been affected by sin and is still perfectly sinless and able to go to heaven on its own merits? The body? The soul? The spirit? Which one has not been affected by the fall and remains in sinless perfection."

 

[MB]

Katrina;
None of what you have posted proves any part of Calvinism. All these verses when read in context of the KJV do not give Calvinism any support.
MB

 

[MB]

We all know that.
We all know that.

Not the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Not the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Why do you keep running away and not answering my question. I will post it again. This will be the 4th time I have posted it. Please, don't run away. Answer it.

"So, again, I ask, for the 4th time, what part of man has not been affected by sin and is still perfectly sinless and able to go to heaven on its own merits? The body? The soul? The spirit? Which one has not been affected by the fall and remains in sinless perfection."

I would never run from you. Nothing you have ever done scares me in the least. Stop trying to bully me it will not work. The subject is ." Is man restricted to his own nature" I say no then you answer with a question. Do you have a answer? If not then don't answer

 

[MB]

A mans will, when it comes to coming to Christ, is what limits him. He cannot because he will not. There is no escaping this. He must be set free in order to even will coming to Christ.

Free from what? We already have free will.

 

[thatbrian]

Katrina;
None of what you have posted proves any part of Calvinism. All these verses when read in context of the KJV do not give Calvinism any support.
MB

Prove what you say. How does the context of any other verses change the meaning? Please demonstrate.

 

[thatbrian]

Free from what? We already have free will.

Funny, the Pharisees said the very same thing.

They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

 

[MB]

Funny, the Pharisees said the very same thing.

Scripture please?
MB

 

[MB]

This is called avoiding, dodging, ducking, diverting and obfuscating.

If you are a 'rev' you should be quite familiar with these scriptures.

I invite you to prove any eisegesis on my part.

Any one can quote scripture one verse at a time. Few can actually explain what they believe with scripture in context.
MB

 

[MB]

In light of Rom. 8:7; 1 Cor. 2:14; and Eph. 2:1 the sinner is incapable (i.e. unable) to repent and believe because they are in bondage to sin. So, total inability is not an inaccurate statement so long as it includes the emendation that the sinner is unable apart from the Holy Spirit making him able through regeneration. Tom rightly said (in an earlier post) that the sinner has no desire for salvation. The sinner's problem is seen in Proverbs 26:11. The dog returns to his own vomit. It is kind of like the line that was used in the 2012 election; if you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig. A sinner cannot display repentance or saving faith unless he is made able to by the Holy Spirit; even while the sinner is still dead in his trespasses and sin.

Ephesians 2:4-5 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Ah! come on lets be serious here I've shown you before what happens when you take scripture out of context.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
This verse above says plainly we are saved by Grace through faith.
Though you only admit that you are saved by Grace alone.
MB

 

[MB]

No, I don't. It was an ignorant Semi-Pelagian who coined the term "total inability."

Total Depravity refers to the totality of man, body, soul, and spirit.

What you are talking about is "free will." Man is free to choose, but the lost man hates God, is the enemy of God, rejects God, thinks the Gospel is foolish, he can't understand it. He not only can't, he doesn't want to and won't love, accept, believe and repent.

You love to tell how it is with out scripture to prove it. That alone makes what you have said worthless.
MB

 

[MB]

You make allot of assumptions...1st do you even know what the Westminster Confessions even is and who adheres to them? Certainly not Baptists! As a side note, I keep hearing in the innermost recess of my mind the Jethro Tull song “thick as a brick”...don’t be that!

I just stick to scripture.
MB

 

[Reformed]

Ah! come on lets be serious here I've shown you before what happens when you take scripture out of context.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
This verse above says plainly we are saved by Grace through faith.
Though you only admit that you are saved by Grace alone.
MB

Are you always this dense or is this just a special occasion? How can you even think that I am denying Sola Fide?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I just stick to scripture.
MB

So do I

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

Any one can quote scripture one verse at a time. Few can actually explain what they believe with scripture in context.
MB

I posted the scripture. You didn't even recognize it.

As I did for the 'rev', I extend the same to you. Show where I have used eisegesis.

Total depravity is true. And... it seems that TC has been asking you the same question four times. You cannot answer so you throw your ignorance in full play.

One of the things TC does so well, is to force people to back up their statements with scripture.

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

I just stick to scripture.
MB

No, you don't. I had to provide it to you.

Where does faith come from? Don't just guess, quote the Bible.

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

Ah! come on lets be serious here I've shown you before what happens when you take scripture out of context.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
This verse above says plainly we are saved by Grace through faith.
Though you only admit that you are saved by Grace alone.
MB

Where does faith come from? It doesn't come from us because the verse says "it is not of yourselves"

Where does faith come from?

 

[TCassidy]

You love to tell how it is with out scripture to prove it. That alone makes what you have said worthless.
MB

Okay. Here it is, Hezekiah 4:9 "It was an ignorant Semi-Pelagian who coined the term "total inability.""

Nothing you have ever done scares me in the least.

Then why do you keep running away from the question I have now asked you 5 times? I know why. You are scared to death that if you answer it honestly you will be proven wrong.

Prove me wrong. Answer the question.

"So, again, I ask, for the 5th time, what part of man has not been affected by sin and is still perfectly sinless and able to go to heaven on its own merits? The body? The soul? The spirit? Which one has not been affected by the fall and remains in sinless perfection."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Are you always this dense or is this just a special occasion? How can you even think that I am denying Sola Fide?

It’s that sparkling Kearney NJ demeanor of yours that just charms them everytime

 

[Reformed]

It’s that sparkling Kearney NJ demeanor of yours that just charms them everytime

Kearny. Not Kearney. Get it right or I'll smack you with a roll of Taylor Ham.