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Use of Time · Nov 2, 2014

Squire Robertsson said: ↑

Since, I'm the one who used comprehensive first. I'll try to address your remarks. Yes, the CDC has plans on what to do with Ebola. And, yes, on the face of it they seem to be adequate for the job. However, this administration has shown its self lacking in leadership on various occasions. Thus, some find it difficult to place their trust in their actions. The breakdown by the hospital in Texas did nothing to settle people's minds.
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The breakdown in Texas had nothing to do with the "administration" though. It had to do with a Texas hospital that didn't follow protocols. They will eventually have to answer for their ineptitude.

carpro · Nov 2, 2014

robt.k.fall said: ↑

I take comprehensive to mean both the CDC and the Department of Defense would have the same policy. And they don't. However, I can just as easily see the same disconnect happening in a McCain or a Romney administration. And we should be just as critical of them as we are with the current administration.
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From Newsmax:

Because of this disarray and confusion at the federal level, nearly a dozen states have taken matters into their own hands and imposed restrictions ranging from mandatory 21 day quarantines on those who have treated or had direct contact with Ebola patients to less restrictive daily monitoring for 21 days for those returning from the Ebola impacted areas with no exposure to Ebola patients.

If this lack of coordination and confusion isn’t bad enough, Obama has imposed a double standard on the treatment of civilian health workers versus military personnel.

All U.S. troops returning from the Ebola affected areas will be quarantined for 21 days even though their role does not include having contact with Ebola patients. Yet, returning civilian healthcare workers who have worked with Ebola patients will be actively monitored for symptoms but not quarantined.

Why the different treatment?

According to Obama, "it’s part of their mission that's been assigned to them by their commanders and ultimately by me, the commander in chief. So we don't expect to have similar rules for our military as we do for civilians.” But then, what choice does the military have? None.

To top it off, Obama said that health workers returning from Africa deserve “to be treated with respect.”

So what about our military Mr. President, don’t they deserve to be treated with respect when they return? Shouldn’t the same standards apply to them?
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carpro · Nov 2, 2014

Squire Robertsson said: ↑

Since, I'm the one who used comprehensive first. I'll try to address your remarks. Yes, the CDC has plans on what to do with Ebola. And, yes, on the face of it they seem to be adequate for the job. However, this administration has shown its self lacking in leadership on various occasions. Thus, some find it difficult to place their trust in their actions. The breakdown by the hospital in Texas did nothing to settle people's minds.
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Comprehensive vs.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/27/ebola-christie-cuomo-quinn-pentagon/18022791/

Americans are afraid of Ebola, sometimes panicky. And increasingly, as they behold the national response to the virus, they're simply befuddled.

When leaders differ — and bicker — over how to deal with those who might have been exposed in Africa, one casualty is public peace of mind.

The federal government says one thing, and some states say another. Then those states say something else. And so does Washington.

A nurse who treated Ebola patients in West Africa is "obviously ill" upon arrival in Newark, according to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, and confined to a hospital isolation tent until she displays no symptoms and is allowed to travel home to Maine.

The White House says it conveyed concerns to the governors of New York and New Jersey that their stringent quarantine policies were "not grounded in science" and would hamper efforts to recruit volunteers to fight the epidemic in Africa. But Christie says he'd "gotten absolutely no contact'' from the administration.

The result of all this, according to experts: growing public confusion that tends to obscure reassuring facts about the disease. And quarantines, which advocates describe as a way to both keep the public safe and suppress panic, instead seem unsettling.

"People are confused by just about everything about this,'' said Arthur Caplan, a New York University bioethicist familiar with quarantine practices. "They don't know who's in charge. Everyone thought it was the CDC (federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), but now you have the states involved.''
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Sapper Woody · Nov 2, 2014

A big thing to remember is that the military is still getting paid while quarantined, while a quarantine will prevent a civilian from getting paid. It's much more of a hardship on them.

And whatever has been in place, just ask yourself the question, "How many cases have there been?" If you are critical of the CDC's handling of this, yet it doesn't become an epidemic, then you're wrong and they DO know more than you.

carpro · Nov 2, 2014

Sapper Woody said: ↑

A big thing to remember is that the military is still getting paid while quarantined, while a quarantine will prevent a civilian from getting paid. It's much more of a hardship on them.

And whatever has been in place, just ask yourself the question, "How many cases have there been?" If you are critical of the CDC's handling of this, yet it doesn't become an epidemic, then you're wrong and they DO know more than you.
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Confusion from CDC:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/18/cdc-thomas-frieden-ebola_n_6006002.html

CDC Chief Faulted Over Confusing Ebola Messages

Among the statements with which critics take issue are Frieden's repeated assurances that any U.S. hospital with an isolation ward could handle Ebola. Those have rung hollow after nurses Nina Pham and Amber Vinson fell ill while caring for Duncan.

The two were moved this week from Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, where they worked and where Duncan was treated, to medical centers with special biocontainment units.
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Concerns over the CDC's Ebola response increased this week when Vinson traveled by plane with an elevated temperature, a symptom of Ebola, potentially exposing scores of travelers to the disease. Shortly after Frieden insisted on national television that Vinson should never have been allowed to fly, it emerged that she had consulted a CDC official about her slight fever before boarding the plane and received an all-clear.
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Other experts point to statements from Frieden that go beyond scientific knowledge about Ebola. For instance, when he addressed concerns that the virus could be transmitted on buses and other public places, he stressed that patients with symptoms, who are contagious, would probably feel so sick they would stay home.
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"Most of the CDC director's statements go beyond available scientific data and several are inconsistent with available scientific data," said biosafety expert Richard Ebright of Rutgers University, a critic of the agency over its anthrax and avian flu accidents. He said the public must be aware by now that one day's statements are proven false by the next day's events.
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Perhaps the most confusing official messages concern when someone is infectious. Citing studies of outbreaks going back to 1976, the CDC has said that only when people show symptoms of Ebola, notably fever, vomiting and diarrhea, can they transmit the hemorrhagic virus, which is spread through contact with bodily fluids.
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"It's another mixed message that makes people think officials are probably overconfident in saying you can only transmit the disease when you're symptomatic," said Jody Lanard, an independent risk communication expert in Brooklyn, N.Y.
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Talk about confusing

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/cdc-you-can-give-can-t-get-ebola-bus

CDC: You Can Give—But Can’t Get—Ebola on a Bus
October 15, 2014 - 2:26 PM

Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said during a telephone press briefing Wednesday that you cannot get Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus, but that infected or exposed persons should not ride public transportation because they could transmit the disease to someone else.

But CDC recommendations state that travelers in West Africa who begin to show possible symptoms, or people who have experienced a high risk of exposure, should avoid public transportation, including buses. And we’ve also seen large amounts of concern regarding potentially infected people traveling on airplanes.
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annsni · Nov 2, 2014

Sapper Woody said: ↑

A big thing to remember is that the military is still getting paid while quarantined, while a quarantine will prevent a civilian from getting paid. It's much more of a hardship on them.
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Not to mention it takes close to 21 days to just get deployed people home!! Well, maybe not that long but it took my brother 12 days to get home from the Middle East just two years ago.

And I don't believe it is all military but just Army who is under this order.

righteousdude2 · Nov 3, 2014

Sapper Woody said: ↑

A big thing to remember is that the military is still getting paid while quarantined, while a quarantine will prevent a civilian from getting paid. It's much more of a hardship on them.
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Not to rain on your good point parade, but if the government declares Eminent Domain on your property, you will more than likely lose money plus face the inconvenience of having to move, which is an added expense, too!

If you are called to Jury Duty ... the pay does not come anywhere near to matching what you lose, and I know most employers do not pay their people when they are summoned to the jury. And even though they can't lose their job if serving on a jury, their employer could lay them off once they get back and find another minimum wage, warm bodied individual sitting in your chair!

I have seen it done, the laying off after jury duty.

I mention these, because they are just two things the government can mandate a citizen to do, so quarantine is not really that much different if it means protecting the public!

With that said, it is beginning to look like quarantines are not going to be necessary, as poeple are coming off these without any symptoms to mention!

God bless and thanks for your dedicated service to America! I salute you brother and ask the Lord always keep a hedge around you to protect and keep you safe for your family and loved ones!

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