Is repentance a neccesary part of the gospel...no doubt about it!

[Iconoclast]

pinoybaptist

You, Mitchell, and Iconoclast are as pathetic as they come

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Before you go off foaming at the mouth like you are doing here, maybe you could respond to what you were asked in the other thread before you fled the scene.....

pinoybaptist
He was in no need of any human agency, not a preacher, not tracts, not Bibles, not testimonies, nothing.
Neither did He require anything of the sinner, in exchange for Christ's sacrifice and its results for the sinner

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God used means in the incarnation....Mary, Joseph, and then the wicked to bring the cross about.

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain

Man's responsibility to repent came AFTER his regeneration, not before.

Wrong....God has commanded all men everywhere to repent, Acts 17....

men repent and believe, God does not repent for them, God does grant repentance and faith to the elect....the unsaved are fully responsible before God to do the same.

What we deny is that God is responsible for everything that comes to pass, or the ultimate cause.

Friend.....this is not a small thing....If you believe anything is outside of God and His control, this is to deny God himself.

You just answered "yes" to kyredneck's question that God was responsible for the mosquito that bit you.
We do not deny that God is in control.
He was not responsible for the wickedness of Joseph's brothers, but He was in total control of what happened to Joseph.

Correct...God is not or cannot be the author of sin. The 1689 confession is right on the money on this.

He was not responsible for the custom of Abimelech's people to claim a beautiful woman like Sarah, introduced as Abram's sister, but He was in control of the situation when He revealed the truth to the king.

Correct

He was not responsible for the murder and adultery of David, but He was still in control of Israel, despite that.

He was not responsible for Hitler's evil, or Pol Pot's, or Stalin's, but He controlled events that led to their downfall.

correct

From what I understand from one of your Reformed 'confessions' though, God seems to be somebody playing both sides of the game, and yet totally absolved of blame.

This is where you and others go off the rails.....you lack the wisdom of those who wrote the confession of faith, so you ridicule rather than learn.

21 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will....

There is no blame of God for anything. He is pure holiness and righteousness.
To suggest otherwise is a horrible blasphemy. You must start there.

You and kyred want to suggest God is ONLY active in the life of the elect. While that is true in regards to salvation.....it does not mean that he is not aware of all the sins of all men everywhere

3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good..

maybe you are believing fanny Crosby....his eye is on the sparrow....
no...God is with the sparrow in it's death.

And I do not deny that. Why do the unsaved have to hear the gospel ?
By unsaved, whom and what do you mean ?

All men are born dead in Adam, requiring new birth from above in order to be saved. They are described as dead in sin....even as others.
We are to preach to all men as pastor tony and rippon have said.

because God reveals himself as a Covenant keeping God and he tells us of His decree ...it does not invalidate the means he has ordained to convert and disciple the elect.
The elect must and will perservere in the faith. God in giving a new heart and indwelling of the Spirit to receive the word works through the word.

Do you honestly believe Christ failed to save anybody whom you say He elected unto salvation ?

Because the salvation of all the Father has given to the Son is certain, it does not bypass the God ordained means. You men are saying he does, which is theological fatalism that my friend Benjamin used to go on and on about.

So the only 'unsaved' would be those whom He left to their own damnation, and if HE, THE CREATOR AND SAVIOR GOD HIMSELF, left them as unsaved, I ask: why does the unsaved have to hear the gospel ?
What good will it do them ?

It is not for you to make such a foolish statement when jesus has ordained the gospel to be preached everywhere,
that is hyper Calvinism pure and simple and I fully oppose it.14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

it is not for you or PB's to make that call. It is false carnal reasoning.
the principle of Ezekiels watchman was used by Paul in acts 18......your blood be upon your head...

your idea contradicts the clear teaching of Paul to the Jews in acts 13;

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Can anyone overturn God's wrath for them whom He bypassed and left to their own doom ?

No one suggests that ...the world is condemned already....because they believe not...we are to faithfully proclaim the truth to all sinners everywhere. It is not for you to ignore, or figure out who is saved or lost. We preach to all sinners in everyplace.

Do you wish to contradict this ? Are you able to assist God in populating heaven ? with whom ? those whose names He did not write down in His book

This is your false and confused thinking here. God uses sinners who have this treasure in earthen vessels

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I do not keep a scorecard, but I look at every person who I come in contact with as a potential convert. I pray and seek gospel opportunites each day....only spoke with two people so far today.

I trust this has been explained in earlier replies above.

What I have seen raises more questions than answers.....this idea of a difference between a son and a disciple is unscriptural as well.

and we are not deists, either.

Well...that is good, however if what I am reading on these websites is accurate...I am not seeing how you differ from them in reference to the unsaved in the world.

Why you men are mad at me, or Rippon , or any other cal is because you know we believe in the 5 pts...so you cannot write us off as rejecting the grace of God.


You offered no answer then...here is another chance for you...meanwhile I will now look at your personal attack.

 

[Iconoclast]

here is part two of your failed response;
pinoybaptist

Again I am hampered by big stubby fingers trying to type on a phone with less than four inches of screen so I will simply state my objection to your seeming insistence that everything that comes to pass in this fallen world God predetermined

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There are distinct terms here that you should not conflate. The confession states. God has ordained whatsoever comes to pass. This takes in God allowing the evil acts of angels and men and using them for His purposes.

Like the mosquito that bit you, or might I add, the cockroach that crawls on filth, and then crawls on the food on the table of a hungry family somewhere, or the rat that spread the plague in Europe.
The previous two could result in something evil while the last one did, as we all know.

the fact is...if it happens it was ordained of God to happen.

I refuse to acknowledge God as the active cause of evil

No biblical Baptist believes this.

in order for Him to be the source of good which is what you seem to conform to in your "confession".

There is NO...."in order for him to be"...He is only good all the time.

This view of God reminds me of a nurse who makes a patient ill in order to be the hero who saves the patient.

PYB, with all due respect....I try to avoid this kind of carnal reasoning about God.

He is not like man, or in this case this nurse with selfish motives who does evil. This is a fatally flawed view.

PYB...you are not understanding correctly what we know of as the providence of God. That is the working out of what God decreed in time. God's eternal purpose unfolded in time.

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

The scripture teaches this.I just believe it. He is upholding all things....every single particle...by His word.
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[Iconoclast]

pinoybaptist

You, Mitchell, and Iconoclast are as pathetic as they come. You, Mitchell, for your kneejerk reaction where you read your set keywords that tell you to immediately judge and Iconoclast for being as Calvinist as they come, meaning his desire to burn at stake anybody who opposes Calvin's doctrines, like, as is alleged Servetus

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It is not hard to expose your false ideas as the hypercalvinism they represent.
Rather than answer in a meaningful way you rely on foolish personal attacks which exposes your defective ideas lack substance.
This will be shown the more you try and defend such falsehoods and attacks upon the faith which the historic church has believed.

So I will coin a word to describe Icon's pathetic attitude: servetusal (there it is, as expected, the red underline that shows this may not be an English word. lol.).

if this makes you happy

We insist, with regards to the eternal consequences for the sinner that the work of Christ for and in behalf of the sinner is independent and totally free of any requirement for or on the part of the sinner.

Christs perfect work does not negate the responsibility of all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel. You and others are denying that the sinner does repent...that the sinner does actually believe.
God ordained the work of Christ. God ordained how the work would be effectually applied to the Covenant people of God. The God ordained means resulting in the conversion of the elect are ordained and come to pass as sure as the Perfect life and sacrifice of the Son came to pass.

When you deny these means you are denying that men are fully responsible ....Jn 3:16 promises ..EVERYONE...believing......they actually repent, they actually believe.
How that takes place is God's area, not yours to determine.

You,of all people, should know that unconditional election, the second letter of Calvinists' most revered anagram, means that not only did God elect His own based on unconditionality of race, geography, chronology and other "logy's" pertinent to God and man relationship, but also unconditional as to any action on the part of man.

No one suggests otherwise. Can you show otherwise.

Yet, here you are, being agreed with by those whose soteriology you oppose,

Because I do not agree totally with RM, or WD...does not mean that we do not have certain beliefs in common. What you see is an open debate between those two man and myself. That is how we grow, having our ideas tested.

arguing with and insinuating against, people whose soteriology, by and large, agree with you,

Because we agree on many verses...does not mean that we can not disagree here.Biblical Calvinists spend half their time explaining why we are not hyper-Calvinists. Those statements you and your unchurched sidekick make cause the way of the truth to be evil spoken of.
The gospel is to be faithfully proclaimed to all men everywhere. That was what we are commanded to do. You see no need for it evidently.

It is because of this that I would align myself with either RM, or WD, as they have a concern for souls. What you men are saying causes reproach to those who would be faithful.

and which you also stated you agree with, by and large, because you want to add to what your idol, Calvin, has stated in so many words as unconditonal.

Where do you see me idolizing Calvin...bearing false witness is still a sin...
show where I idolize Calvin...in fact...put up, or shut up.

All these being said, which I doubt you both will even bother to read and mull about before firing your insinuations at the integrity of our soteriology, but which nevertheless I post for posterity, IN PRINT, let me now proceed to the positive.

You offer no substance yet, only error that is why you are opposed here.

EWF, and myself, and any Primitive Baptist worth his salt, agree that the gospel demands repentance, and, faith, and obedience, and trust in the Lord, and all those other things that you and Mitchell and whoever else want to throw into the soup.

If you now claim such....correct your errant posts,which I had to repost so you do not hide from them again.

We agree with James in his treatise on faith, works, and evidence of being "one of us". We agree with John the Baptist when he demanded "fruits meet for repentance". We agree with the Lord Himself when He told those in His audience that "unless you repent you shall all likewise perish".

You are now contradicting your posts, speaking out of both sides of you mouth.In this thread you posted this to Tom B-

Presbyterian. not too surprised.

how about this: unmerited favors, with repentance......isn't

But did you notice anything in the above ? What are these actions being described, evaluated, and required ? These are actions of spiritually living men !

They were not saved when He challenged them .....they were unsaved in need of repentance....

In another thread you boasted how you shut some people (presumably us) because you proved they were hyper-Calvinists ?
Really ?

Yes ...really....answer what I reposted...you left the thread ..answer now.

And what does that prove you ?
A half-baked Calvinist ?
A hybrid Arminian-Calvinist ?

I answered...you did not except to call me names. I can handle anything you offer for sure....Rippon and others shred your ideas also....no one is trying to prove anything...we are being faithful to the gospel.I will oppose you and your false ideas as long as you offer them.

Man, you are really pathetic.

Coming from a hyper-cal it must seem that way to you.....guess that is all you have to say.

 

[convicted1]

Oddly enough, I wrote about this in my blog a while back. Here it is....

Is repentance from sin necessary for salvation?

I am quite shocked that I have to word the blog post title question the way I did. I just don’t know how you can truly have a grammatically correct sentence the way I worded it, but alas…..



Now, is repentance from sin necessary for salvation? Let’s see what God’s word has to say about it. First off, I want to go to Acts 17:30 where the beloved physician Luke wrote, “the times, indeed, therefore, of the ignorance God having overlooked, doth now command all men everywhere to reform.” As you can read for yourselves, God has commanded all men everywhere to repent. Yet, so many refuse to do so, choosing to live in the mire of sin like a hog lives in its. Repentance is more than a change of mind, it’s a change of the heart, a Godly sorrow that has been set up in their lives, that leads them to repentance(2 Cor. 7:10). Now, let’s look at some other verses that addresses that repentance is necessary for true God-given salvation.





John the Baptist told the Jews this, “And in those days cometh John the Baptist, proclaiming in the wilderness of Judea,and saying, `Reform, for come nigh hath the reign of the heavens,’ for this is he who was spoken of by Isaiah the prophet, saying, `A voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye His paths.’ And this John had his clothing of camel’s hair, and a girdle of skin round his loins, and his nourishment was locusts and honey of the field.Then were going forth unto him Jerusalem, and all Judea, and all the region round about the Jordan, and they were baptized in the Jordan by him, confessing their sins. And having seen many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming about his baptism, he said to them, `Brood of vipers! who did shew you to flee from the coming wrath? bear, therefore, fruits worthy of the reformation, and do not think to say in yourselves, A father we have — Abraham, for I say to you, that God is able out of these stones to raise children to Abraham, and now also, the axe unto the root of the trees is laid, every tree therefore not bearing good fruit is hewn down, and to fire is cast.” (Matthew 3:1-10 YLT)





People want to say that repentance from sins was only spoken of by Jesus to the Jews. That’s true, but why was it this way? Here’s why: `I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,‘ this was what Jesus said in Matthew 15:24. He first went to His chosen people, and He also told His desciples to “the way of the nations go not away, and into a city of the Samaritans go not in, and be going rather unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.`And, going on, proclaim saying that, the reign of the heavens hath come nigh; infirm ones be healing, lepers be cleansing, dead be raising, demons be casting out — freely ye did receive, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5-8 YLT) His targeted audience, His earthly ministry was focused upon the Jews. That was who He spoke to most of the time. There was the Syrophoenician woman whose daughter He healed, and the woman at the well in Samaria, but those are only two instances that I can think of off the top of my head, where He had dealings with Gentiles. So to say that the Christ commanded the Jews to repent of their sins, and we don’t have to, is horrible exegesis, in my opinion.



Then in Romans 2, Apostle Paul touched upon repentance being necessary, and also the source from which it came; “or the riches of His goodness, and forbearance, and long-suffering, dost thou despise? — not knowing that the goodness of God doth lead thee to reformation! (Romans 2:4 YLT) It is the goodness of God that leads a sinner to reformation/repentance. It is God that sets up a Godly sorrow that leads a sinner to repentance. (2 Cor. 7:10). Then John the Baptist told the Jews this as well, “make, therefore, fruits worthy of the reformation, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have a father — Abraham; for I say to you, that God is able out of these stones to raise children to Abraham; (Luke 3:8 YLT) God has to break up that stony heart first. In Matthew 13, Jesus told the parable of the seed sower, and the condition of the four grounds represented there. The only one that the seed took root and brought forth fruits was that which was sown in the good ground. Why did it(seed) not bring forth fruit in the other three grounds? In the wayside ground, Satan snatched it away before it could get planted. In the stony ground, it sprung up, but withered away before any fruits were produced. The thorny ground choked the seed out as the plant sprouted out, so did the thorns, and choked it out. So why did the seed not prosper? It was a good seed, but in three grounds it failed to produce fruit. Again, why? It all stems from the heart. The heart is desperately wicked and who can know it? (Jer. 17:9) It is from the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks.(Matt. 12:45 & Luke 6:45) The heart of a sinner is as hard as stone and they have to be given a new heart. (Eze. 11:19 & Eze. 36:26) That is why it’s imperitive that regeneration has to be prior to conversion. God gives a sinner a new heart to feel with, new eyes to see with, new ears to hear “what says the Lord”. In regeneration is justification, the giving of saving faith. Faith and repentance coincide and you can not have one with out the other. As the Hebrews writer said, “looking to the author and perfecter of faith — Jesus, who, over-against the joy set before him — did endure a cross, shame having despised, on the right hand also of the throne of God did sit down;” (Hebrews 12:2) Then in Acts 16:14 it states that God had opened Lydia’s heart. So, as I have shown you, dear reader, the heart has to be changed. It can only be changed by God Almighty Himself.



All of this has to happen to have a true conversion of the soul. There has to be repentance from sin in order to be saved…converted. I will close with this passage Apostle Paul wrote to the church at Thessalonica:



“Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” (1 Thess….all 10 vss YLT)



Look closely at what I put in italics. He said “and how ye turned to God from idols”. To turn from idols and turn to God is repenting of your sins, whilst turning to God. You can not turn to God without turning away from your sins. You have to deny yourself, and seek after Him with all your heart. Then in Luke 13, Jesus stated this TWICE; “No — I say to you, but, if ye may not reform, all ye even so shall perish.” (Luke 13:3,5 YLT)



If there be a sinner who reads this, please let me tell you that repenting of your sins is an absolute necessity in order to be saved/converted. God saves you from your sins, and not in them. “No — I say to you, but, if ye may not reform, all ye even shall perish.”

 

[pinoybaptist]

God does not repent for them, God does grant repentance and faith to the elect....

yeah. one plus one equals two, unless you're a fan of common core.

the unsaved are fully responsible before God to do the same.

if you're talking about the unsaved gospelly, as in the above audience of Paul, yes, we agree. If you're talking about the unsaved who are not of the elect, we do not agree.
First because they are unregenerate, and God will not order and hold accountable anyone to move whom He himself knows cannot move. Can the leopard change his spots ? remember that Scripture ?
The call to repentance is to the elect of God and only they. and whether or not a preacher, or a tract, gets to them, God is able to draw them to Christ. Christ Himself said that no less: And I, if I am lifted up, will draw all men to me. He will draw all men to Him, he didn't say men will draw all men to me.
Second, because their (the unelect's) judgment is over, done, kaput, fini.
Hello ?
The cross is past, the blood is shed, the tomb is empty, Christ is seated at the Father's right hand, interceding for His people, and coming backsoon.
That is the gospel.
A statement of finished and accomplished facts that those whose ears have been opened, and whose hearts have been opened, by God previously are to rejoice in, because independent of their belief and obedience these things are true to and for them.

Friend.....

Friend ? Am I your friend ? It seems to me you do not consider anyone who does not conform to your beloved Calvin as friend. Do you even know what that means ?
Here is what it means.
When somebody is my friend, I will reprimand him IN PRIVATE, but stand by his side, in public, RIGHT OR WRONG.
When somebody is my friend, his friends are wrong, not him.
Yet, here you are, beginning this whole thing about PB's not believing the gospel necessary for salvation (without regard to you knowing how we look at salvation), because you read of a couple of Primitive Baptist preachers ranting about your boy Calvin.
No, a dead man is your friend.

this is not a small thing....If you believe anything is outside of God and His control, this is to deny God himself.

here we go again. Define control. If you mean God controls the mosquito that bit you, its proliferation, its breeding, I can agree with you.
But if you mean God directed its flight to bite you, give you dengue, make you suffer, in order to make you turn to Him, I do not agree with you.
God can control the effects of fallenness and sin, but He does not cause evil that good may come.
You misinterpret the verse: All things work together for them who love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.
Paul is not talking about events IN THIS TIME WORLD, especially misery, sin, disaster.
He is talking about foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, and glorification. THINGS DONE IN CHRIST BEFORE THE PREACHED GOSPEL.

 

[pinoybaptist]

God does not repent for them, God does grant repentance and faith to the elect....

yeah. one plus one equals two, unless you're a fan of common core.

the unsaved are fully responsible before God to do the same.

if you're talking about the unsaved gospelly, as in the above audience of Paul, yes, we agree. If you're talking about the unsaved who are not of the elect, we do not agree.
First because they are unregenerate, and God will not order and hold accountable anyone to move whom He himself knows cannot move. Can the leopard change his spots ? remember that Scripture ?
The call to repentance is to the elect of God and only they. and whether or not a preacher, or a tract, gets to them, God is able to draw them to Christ. Christ Himself said that no less: And I, if I am lifted up, will draw all men to me. He will draw all men to Him, he didn't say men will draw all men to me.
Second, because their (the unelect's) judgment is over, done, kaput, fini.
Hello ?
The cross is past, the blood is shed, the tomb is empty, Christ is seated at the Father's right hand, interceding for His people, and coming backsoon.
That is the gospel.
A statement of finished and accomplished facts that those whose ears have been opened, and whose hearts have been opened, by God previously are to rejoice in, because independent of their belief and obedience these things are true to and for them.

Friend.....

Friend ? Am I your friend ? It seems to me you do not consider anyone who does not conform to your beloved Calvin as friend. Do you even know what that means ?
Here is what it means.
When somebody is my friend, I will reprimand him IN PRIVATE, but stand by his side, in public, RIGHT OR WRONG.
When somebody is my friend, his friends are wrong, not him.
Yet, here you are, beginning this whole thing about PB's not believing the gospel necessary for salvation (without regard to you knowing how we look at salvation), because you read of a couple of Primitive Baptist preachers ranting about your boy Calvin.
No, a dead man is your friend.

 

[pinoybaptist]

this is not a small thing....If you believe anything is outside of God and His control, this is to deny God himself.

here we go again. Define control. If you mean God controls the mosquito that bit you, its proliferation, its breeding, I can agree with you.
But if you mean God directed its flight to bite you, give you dengue, make you suffer, in order to make you turn to Him, I do not agree with you.
God can control the effects of fallenness and sin, but He does not cause evil that good may come.
You misinterpret the verse: All things work together for them who love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.
Paul is not talking about events IN THIS TIME WORLD, especially misery, sin, disaster.
He is talking about foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, and glorification. THINGS DONE IN CHRIST BEFORE THE PREACHED GOSPEL.

pinoybaptist
Before you go off foaming at the mouth like you are doing here,

Oh, is that right ? Now you're going to accuse me of being "crazy" ? Just foam in the mouth with no reason ? You are a classic provocateur, mister.

maybe you could respond to what you were asked in the other thread before you fled the scene.....

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God used means in the incarnation....Mary, Joseph, and then the wicked to bring the cross about.

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain

excuse me, were you on something when you wrote this ? weren't we talking of means in relation to eternal and gospel salvation ?

Wrong....God has commanded all men everywhere to repent, Acts 17....

Here's the full text:

And the times of this ignorance God winked at ; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

Hello ? That's too low, even for you, to leave off certain words of Scripture and have the temerity to say that proves your point. Let me divide it for you: and the times of this ignorance.

What is THIS IGNORANCE ? knowledge about the living God, whom the audience calls the Unknown God. That is the reason the gospel exists, for TEACHING AND POINTING God's elect to the true God and Creator, and His Only Begotten Son, who IS their Savior, not one who will be their Savior, but the One who bore their sins on the cross, not will be their sin bearer IF they believe this good news.
Now that God has condescended with sinful men, and have sent out His teachers, and now that they have been told, whoever hears and have been given ears to hear, NOW they are to repent and turn from their idols to the living God, their Savior, because THEN God winked at this ignorance.
This is the same Paul who wrote to the Romans how he loved the Jews so much he has even disobeyed the Holy Spirit's warning not to go to Jerusalem because the Jews have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge about Christ, the same knowledge that he is now imparting to the Grecians, and so, how will they, his countrymen, know, except someone be sent to preach.
This is salvation of the eternally saved, by gospel knowledge, from perishing, here in time, because of wrong theology. The same salvation preached by Peter when he said 'save yourselves from this untoward generation.

 

[pinoybaptist]

all of a sudden posts have a limit of 10K words.
maybe I missed that, but, my post to you, Icon, was 14300 words, and I cut and paste and it confused me which is which on the cut and paste.
at any rate, what are posted will suffice for now.
make do with it.
I'm going to live my life and earn my keep.
I would like to say I'm going to let the dead bury their dead, as a friend of mine advised, but, I'm hoping you're still breathing, if barely, so will catch up with you later.

 

[pinoybaptist]

You and kyred want to suggest God is ONLY active in the life of the elect. While that is true in regards to salvation.....it does not mean that he is not aware of all the sins of all men everywhere

3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good..

maybe you are believing fanny Crosby....his eye is on the sparrow....
no...God is with the sparrow in it's death.

The bolded and underlined are words you put in our mouths.

All men are born dead in Adam,

agreed.

requiring new birth from above in order to be saved. They are described as dead in sin....even as others.

gospelly saved, agreed.
eternally saved. disagree.
you and mitchell can go have apoplectic fits all you want, but one who correctly divides scripture, can only see that not all "saved", "salvation", mentioned in the Bible pertains to the eternal destiny of the soul.
Also, to say that one cannot be eternally saved unless one is preached to and comes to the knowledge of Christ is to say that Christ really saved NNE at the cross.
See again above my reply to your quote of Paul's sermon to the Greeks.

We are to preach to all men as pastor tony and rippon have said.

Except that you all preach a different gospel.
one of a supposed savior and can only be truly savior if the hearer believes and obeys.
we preach a Savior who DID ACCOMPLISH what He came here for, redeemed ALL who He is to redeem, even the unborn, and rightly divide the word as to salvation, redemption, and the gospel.

because God reveals himself as a Covenant keeping God and he tells us of His decree ...it does not invalidate the means he has ordained to convert and disciple the elect.

And here is where we are talking past each other. Means to convert and disciple we agree.
As I will say again, we agree on your OP.
Repentance is an absolute must in the gospel.
But, if repentance is IN ORDER TO BE ETERNALLY SAVED, we part ways.
To us, it is REPENTANCE BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED, AND REGENERATE.

The elect must and will perservere in the faith. God in giving a new heart and indwelling of the Spirit to receive the word works through the word.

Disagree. Not all the elect persevere.
All the elect are and have been PRESERVED IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

 

[pinoybaptist]

It is not for you to make such a foolish statement when jesus has ordained the gospel to be preached everywhere,
that is hyper Calvinism pure and simple and I fully oppose it.


14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
[/QUOTE]



it is not for you or PB's to make that call. It is false carnal reasoning.
the principle of Ezekiels watchman was used by Paul in acts 18......your blood be upon your head...

your idea contradicts the clear teaching of Paul to the Jews in acts 13;

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[/quote]

And who is it that denies the gospel is to be preached everywhere ? we don't.
what we deny is the REASON that you guys are giving.
that the reason for the preaching of the gospel is IN ORDER THAT THE ELECT BE SAVED, OR REGENERATED.
We maintain that the gospel is for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).
Christ's words to His disciples were to TEACH.
THOSE who believe shall be saved.
Was He drunk ?
Didn't He just rise from the grave ?
Obviously, He wasn't talking about the kind of saving He just did.
Give the Lord more credit than what you think you're giving Him, man.

for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
No one suggests that ...the world is condemned already....because they believe not...we are to faithfully proclaim the truth to all sinners everywhere.

It is not for you to ignore, or figure out who is saved or lost. We preach to all sinners in everyplace.

Well, look who's talking.:laugh:
And you on the other hand, have the divine privilege of figuring out who are the saved (those who believe the gospel), and those who are not (those who ignore your preaching, and those who have the unfortunate truth of being born centuries ago in far, unknown lands, and those who unfortunately existed before the gospel, even in Bible lands) ?

This is your false and confused thinking here. God uses sinners who have this treasure in earthen vessels

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I do not keep a scorecard, but I look at every person who I come in contact with as a potential convert. I pray and seek gospel opportunites each day....only spoke with two people so far today.

Well, with what I have posted in reply to you about our position re the gospel and its role in God's economy for His elect, if you insist from now on in other posts that PB's are anti-gospel, you are either malicious, or too dense.

What I have seen raises more questions than answers.....this idea of a difference between a son and a disciple is unscriptural as well.

All God's elect are His children in Christ. Not all are disciples, not all will be discipled. Have you discipled everyone of them ? My, my.

Well...that is good, however if what I am reading on these websites is accurate...I am not seeing how you differ from them in reference to the unsaved in the world.

suit yourself.

Why you men are mad at me, or Rippon , or any other cal

Leave Rippon out of this. He and I have so far, this far, been on this board, respectful of each other, despite our differences.
You and I are the ones that have issues.

is because you know we believe in the 5 pts...

The 5 points are fine, it has nothing to do with our issues. The bottom line is this: you started the attack. and the reason you started the attack is not so much because we refute your gospel regeneration doctrine, and I don't know what else to call it, BUT because you read two elders of the PB order saying what you consider falsehood about Calvin.
That's the fruit under the skin when you peel it.

so you cannot write us off as rejecting the grace of God.

never said you did. I did say you were maligning it by adding repentance a necessary component to the blood shed freely for all the elect.

You offered no answer then...here is another chance for you...meanwhile I will now look at your personal attack.

Do.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Ah Kemosabi, Bushwhackers use such tactics. Get used to it. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Rippon]

First because they are unregenerate, and God will not order and hold accountable anyone to move whom He himself knows cannot move. Can the leopard change his spots ? remember that Scripture ?
The call to repentance is to the elect of God and only they. and whether or not a preacher, or a tract, gets to them,

This is where you are defending your belief that the unregenerate who are not elect are not accountable to God. You think that God will absolve them of their responsibility? Are they sinners who will be judged for their sins?

The indiscriminate general call is to everyone --with no distinction. A preacher or lay person doesn't pick and choose who he must preach to --he preaches to all within hearing. No one has the discernment to differentiate who the elect and non-elect are. And the Lord has His reasons why certain non-elect ones hear the Gospel of Christ. It is His right do so as the Sovereign Lord.

 

[percho]

What I have learned is that people who hold to deviant doctrines like to obfuscate the issues because they really cannot defend them. What is happening in this thread is a good example. That is what is pathetic.

There is one single salvation. It is eternal. The gospel is the means to that salvation. Anything else is heresy.

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Heb 5:9 I believe this is the gospel salvation.

Is the, "gospel," how it was authored? When and in what manned was He made perfect/complete?

Is our obedience, our repentance?

 

[percho]

Is the gospel preached to bring to salvation, now or is the gospel preached as a witness?

A witness of what? That the end of the world is coming and you will be judged or that the kingdom of God is coming?

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

This age of government by men will come to end and men will be governed by God in the age to come.

Repent and believe the gospel.

 

[pinoybaptist]

This is where you are defending your belief that the unregenerate who are not elect are not accountable to God. You think that God will absolve them of their responsibility? Are they sinners who will be judged for their sins?

The unregenerate who are not elect are already judged. Why can't you guys understand what I am saying. :BangHead:
The cross is past, done, over, kaput, fini, tapos na po.
The prince of this world has been judged ALREADY, Christ's words.
The blood of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world and then shed here in time at the cross, is SHED ALREADY.
Who is absolving who of any responsibility ?
I am not.
You guys like to throw that accusation at us because YOU HAVE NO IDEA AT ALL WHAT WE ARE ABOUT.
Sure, yes, aye, agreed, okay, correct. the unregenerate non-elect will be brought to account for their sins, at the Great White Throne.
And if they die before the Great White Throne, then they open their eyes in hell.
Redemption is over.
That is why I asked in another thread: of what use is preaching the gospel to the unsaved ? What good will it do them ?
Assuming by unsaved, you all mean, those whose sins were not covered by the blood, those who have NO SAVIOR to intercede for them.
First, they are unregenerate, and are not in the mind of God.
You all can shout the gospel into their ears with the loudest mike you can find, it means absolutely nothing to them.
Second, God will NOT regenerate them, because they are not His own.
Third, at best, all you will get from them is REFORMATION and a patronizing assent.
So, the question was asked: what good will it do to preach the gospel to the unsaved ? They are damned, forever, here in time, and then in eternity to come.

The indiscriminate general call is to everyone --with no distinction. A preacher or lay person doesn't pick and choose who he must preach to --he preaches to all within hearing.

I have no problem with what you are saying, Rippon.
My problem is when I hear that the preaching of the gospel is the means by which eternal salvation comes.
And if I understood correctly, that is what your friend, ICON, is saying, which is why he asks in his OP, "is repentance a necessary part of the gospel".
And I would have had no problem with that, and all these back and forth between you and us who practically share the same view on election, would not have happened, if he made no ALLUSIONS to the integrity of PB doctrine, and all because his feelings were hurt about what a couple of ministers said about Calvin.

The blood is the means, if you will insist on means, not the gospel.

No one has the discernment to differentiate who the elect and non-elect are. And the Lord has His reasons why certain non-elect ones hear the Gospel of Christ. It is His right do so as the Sovereign Lord.

Agreed. Wherever did I, EWF, Kyredneck, or any PB posting on here say that we have the power to discern who the elect or the non-elect are.
But, when anybody insists that without the gospel all others are damned, doesn't whoever says it bestow on himself the authority to announce who are saved and who are not ?
And if such a one says he believes in the sovereign electing grace of God, didn't he just say between the lines that he knows who the elect are and who the non-elect are simply by the way they treat the gospel ?
I am not belittling the gospel.
And hats off to those who on the power of their convictions, went to foreign lands to get people "saved", even if Christ has already done what they intend to do.
That is what they believe, and that doesn't change the facts: the cross is past, won't happen again. The judgment of the prince of this world, and of the unelect, is done.
The blood is shed, won't happen again. All for whom it was shed have the eternal status of redeemed. Unregenerate as they go through this time world ? Yes.
But, redeemed.
And will be regenerated in God's own time, in His own way.
And Christ is the Redeemer, not the gospel, and the Redeemer has done His job well, nothing lacking, and no one falling between the cracks.

 

[pinoybaptist]

pinoybaptist
It is not hard to expose your false ideas as the hypercalvinism they represent.

My ideas ?
Tell me, is my idea that the cross is past and will not be repeated anymore ?
Is it my idea that the blood of Christ has been shed in eternity past before the foundation of the world and then shed here in time and will never happen again ?
My idea that the tomb is already empty as a testament to the fact that the Savior rose from the dead so those who are His would, too ?
My idea that Jesus Christ is seated in heaven, interceding (no longer redeeming) for those He died for, His elect people ?
My idea that not everytime the Bible talks of "save", "saving", "salvation" it does not always refer to the eternal ?

Come on, icon.
point to one statement I made from the beginning I will not be able to clearly show by Scripture to be true.

Rather than answer in a meaningful way you rely on foolish personal attacks which exposes your defective ideas lack substance.

The difference between you and myself is that you are adept at using sophisticated language in calling somebody a SOB and painting him a heretic.
I prefer to say so directly.
If you can't take it, then avoid starting a fight.

This will be shown the more you try and defend such falsehoods and attacks upon the faith which the historic church has believed.


if this makes you happy

The same historic church from which somebody tried to make of a theocracy and failed.

Christs perfect work does not negate the responsibility of all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel. You and others are denying that the sinner does repent...that the sinner does actually believe.

Wrong again.
Just shows you are arguing more from emotion and rote than an understanding of what Scripture both says and implies.
The call to repent is unto ALL MEN EVERYWHERE (Jew, Greek, Roman, poor, rich, and in-between) who belong to Christ, whose hearts have been prepared by the Lord, and by providence, have had the gospel preached to them.
And they belong to Christ, because He has already purchased them with His blood.
These are responsible to Him because NOW they have been told, NOW they confess Christ as their own, NOW they are to turn from their sins, if perhaps they are His, as they claim.
God does not lay responsibility on anyone who has NO KNOWLEDGE.

As for the unregenerate non-elect, they are ALREADY TOAST. With no hope, no Savior, no blood to plead upon.
They are not called to repentance, simply because they will not repent.
So, before you go on half-cocked charging Primitive Baptists of heresy, and as Mitchell said, ungodliness, understand how we view and believe what Scripture says.

God ordained the work of Christ. God ordained how the work would be effectually applied to the Covenant people of God.

Tell me something I don't already know.

The God ordained means resulting in the conversion of the elect are ordained and come to pass as sure as the Perfect life and sacrifice of the Son came to pass.

When you deny these means you are denying that men are fully responsible ....Jn 3:16 promises ..EVERYONE...believing......they actually repent, they actually believe.
How that takes place is God's area, not yours to determine.
No one suggests otherwise. Can you show otherwise. [/B]

I have not denied that the gospel is the means by which God brings about the conversion of the elect.
What I denied is that without the preaching of the gospel, the redemptive work of Christ of Christ for His elect, was futile.
This is no different from the semi-Pelagian's and Arminian's view that without repentance and faith, no one can be eternally saved.
But it doesn't surprise me anymore, seeing as how the Arminians here have their hands clapping for you.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Because I do not agree totally with RM, or WD...does not mean that we do not have certain beliefs in common.

And because we PB's do not agree that "conversion" is the same as "redemption", and we believe that salvation is both eternal and timely, with some differences as to scope and application, there is nothing that you and I believe in common ?
Have we denied the deity and humanity of Christ ? Have we denied the efficacy of His blood ? Have we denied the Virgin Birth ? Have we denied Him as Creator ? Have we anywhere denied Him as the Judge of all the earth ? Have we denied His historical existence ? His resurrection, have we "modified" it ?
Does that give you, and Mitchell, the call to paint us as ungodly, heretics, false preachers ?

What you see is an open debate between those two man and myself. That is how we grow, having our ideas tested.

Good for you. carry on.

Because we agree on many verses...does not mean that we can not disagree here.Biblical Calvinists spend half their time explaining why we are not hyper-Calvinists.

And I have spent many a time explaining why we cannot be called hyper-
Calvinists, but you "Biblical" Calvinists keep insisting we are.
You accuse us of denying the importance of gospel preaching, where we have time and again tried to show that we honor the gospel as much as anybody else, except that we do not put it on the throne.
Christ is on the throne, not the gospel.
The glory is Christ's alone, not the gospel.
Christ redeemed, not the gospel.
We preach the gospel to teach the regenerate, not to regenerate anyone.
Every Sunday just like you and your Arminian friends and admirers, we go to church, even traveling miles, to honor our God, King, and Redeemer.
Why do you treat us as if we are honoring Satan ?

Those statements you and your unchurched sidekick make cause the way of the truth to be evil spoken of.

No, rather those statements point to CHRIST AND CHRIST ALONE.
His work complete for all for whom it was done, with or without the gospel, the preacher, or even the Bible.
The blood covered everyone in all ages everywhere for whom it was shed, even the elect yet to be born in this time world.
What we have been saying exalts Christ and displays God in all His mercy and grace to humans.
You, on the other hand, would paint Christ's work as unfinished UNLESS the gospel is preached, believed, and obeyed.
You would have the major chunk of humanity damned, where God says I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and all because they happened to live in a time, place or age, before the preached gospel.

The gospel is to be faithfully proclaimed to all men everywhere. That was what we are commanded to do. You see no need for it evidently.

We see no need for the gospel to be preached only because the stated purpose of those, like you, who insist you are on mission, is to SAVE SOULS, and by that you mean, to save them from hell.
THE CROSS IS PAST.
Christ already accompished what you and your missions state to be your purpose in preaching the gospel.
That is, at best, a duplication of what Christ has already done.
At worst, a denial that His blood shed already, suffices for the salvation of sinners.

It is because of this that I would align myself with either RM, or WD, as they have a concern for souls.

You think yourselves more concerned for souls than He who took it upon Himself to redeem those souls ?
The term "more papist than the pope" comes to mind.
You call Christ Savior ?
Of what ? Of whom ?

I have no concern for souls, right, and that is true, and I put it in print.
Why ?
Because AFTER THE CROSS AND THE EMPTY TOMB, whoever is bound for heaven is unstoppable, and whoever is bound for hell is unredeemable.
It is entirely out of my hands, and for that matter, if this is the first time you'll know: yours, too.
My concern is for those whom God will providentially bring under the preaching of the gospel to be TAUGHT and pulled out of the fires of false teaching.
What do you call it ? oh, yeah, discipling.
So, I'm not going to fret and wring my hands and worry about souls anymore.
Christ already did the saving.
My concern is for those whom God quickens and brings to one of His sheep pen, here in time, is told of THE SHEPHERD OF THEIR SOULS, the very One and the Only One responsible for them having a hope in heaven, a hope which has a Name: JESUS.
My concern is for these sheep entrusted to my care to be taught how to live the gospel life.

What you men are saying causes reproach to those who would be faithful.

On the contrary, your doctrine that without the preaching of the gospel Christ's work is futile, or, okay, I'll grant you space, limited, reproaches the Name of the One who said He is God.

Where do you see me idolizing Calvin...bearing false witness is still a sin...
show where I idolize Calvin...in fact...put up, or shut up.

Why did you start up on PB Doctrine ?
Is it not in response and retaliation to what two PB's wrote about Calvin ?
In the Philippines is a cult, founded by a man.
One can say anything they want to say about Christ, but never about the founder.

You offer no substance yet, only error that is why you are opposed here.

On the contrary, everything I have said is SUBSTANTIAL.

If you now claim such....correct your errant posts,which I had to repost so you do not hide from them again.

Show why I am errant, because I do not see error in my point of view of Christ's finished work, and the role of the gospel in His economy.

 

[pinoybaptist]

You are now contradicting your posts, speaking out of both sides of you mouth.In this thread you posted this to Tom B-

Presbyterian. not too surprised.

In all truthfulness, I no longer remember the "slogan" verbatim, so I will pass on this.
"not too surprised" comes from the fact that unless a particular denomination of this denomination is pointed to, or at, to my mind, this denomination compromised on "gays" along with Episcopalians, etc.

how about this: unmerited favors, with repentance......isn't

Isn't that what you and yours define grace ?
Unmerited favor ?
Well, what does "unmerited" mean ?
Or "undeserved" ?
If grace is extended BECAUSE one repents, then grace is deserved.
Right, or wrong ?

They were not saved when He challenged them .....they were unsaved in need of repentance....

well, again, define "saved".
and, what do they need to repent from, why, and for what ?

Yes ...really....answer what I reposted...you left the thread ..answer now.

too long a thread, too many.
please repost the question as a thread,.

I answered...you did not except to call me names.

Like I said, I prefer direct action, rather than the suave, polished way of calling somebody a name but with the escape hatch of "I didn't say that about you...."

I can handle anything you offer for sure....

Nope. You can't. Your pride is stronger than God's obvious and stated truth.
Your pride cannot let you swallow the thought that what you learned all these years could possibly be erroneous.

Rippon and others shred your ideas also....no one is trying to prove anything...

Rippon shredded nothing.

we are being faithful to the gospel.I will oppose you and your false ideas as long as you offer them.

Fine. I'm ready to dance anytime you are. Just start it.

In the meantime, back to earning my keep.

 

[Jerome]

'Cumberland Presbyterian' is the denomination; they're the good ones.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Acts 3:19**Repent*ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 17:30-31**And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to*repent:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by*that*man whom he hath ordained;*whereof*he hath given assurance unto all*men,*in that he hath raised him from the dead.

The Bible says we must repent. The word repent means a change of mind, heart, or emotion about something, repentance is not ceasing from sin, penance or paying for sin, reformation, or turning over a new leaf. Repentance is simply a change of our heart and attitude towards something.

There are 3 things every person must repent or change their mind, heart, and attitude towards in order to be saved.
The first is Sin

Ezekiel 18:30-31**Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn*yourselves*from all your transgressions(Sins); so iniquity(Sin) shall not be your ruin.Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Mark 8:36-37**For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

No sin is worth dying and going to hell over.*Jesus said it would be better to cut off your hand than to go into hell with both hands! We must be willing to repent of sin in order to be saved, you must be willing to change your attitude towards sin as something that you desire to be saved from

The 2nd*thing you must repent of is Self

Luke 18:10-14**Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men*are,*extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as*his*eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.I tell you, this man went down to his house justified*rather*than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Romans 10:3*For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

The Pharisee was self-righteous and had a higher view of himself, the publican admitted his sinfulness before God, which is why he received forgiveness. Many people today are ignorant of the perfect righteousness of Christ and go about to establish their own works based righteousness through religion, or “try to be good and not hurt others” but we are all wicked sinners condemned to die. You must repent of self-righteousness in order to be saved.

The 3rd*thing you must repent of is the Savior.

Jesus Christ is the savior, he is also God. If you believe in a false Jesus and not the one of the Bible you cannot be saved:Religions such as the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses teach a false Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus is perfect and sinless because he is GOD!

Consider these verses:
John 8:23-24**And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am*he,*ye shall die in your sins.

The name “I am” is a name for God in the Exodus chapter 20.

John 10:30-33**I and*my*Father are one.Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
So three things we must repent of are Sin, Self, and the Savior.