is Satan Able To Blind Sinners To the Gospel?

[Allan]

I already have, but you do not appear to understand it.

Then stop dancing and deal with the Text.

When God opened their eyes, in what spiritual state where they in?
If in the light, they why the need to turn FROM darkness AND the power of Satan TO God for forgiveness.

If God opened their eyes, and their spiritual state is still IN darkness (as the scripture states) then they are not regenerate like the reformed view declares they have to be.

Same with the other verse.. One can not be a slave if one is set free through a new nature. If a slave WHEN they were CALLED.. in what spiritual state were they in when God was Calling them to repentance

 

[savedbymercy]

allan:

Then stop dancing and deal with the Text.

I already have and you dont appear to understand the text.

 

[Winman]

Go back and re-read the scripture again.. it SPECIFICALLY states just what I said. He opened their eyes to turn them FROM darkness..
So their eyes were opened.. and were does scripture state they were spiritually with opened eyes - in darkness - that is why they 'needed' to turn from it .. and be forgiven. If they were not IN darkness they have no need to turn FROM it TO God.

Check your Greek bud.
Another that is much stronger regarding this is:

They were 'slaves' WHEN they were called. They were not called after they were set free but literally - while they were slaves, He called them.

Their spiritual state is undeniable IF one will hold to the scripture, and more so if one understands the Greek. And while you don't NEED to understand the Greek, it brings it across to a greater degree

I agree with you Allan. A similar verse is John 8:32.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

A person is shown the truth while they are in bondage, it is this knowledge given them while still in bondage that will make them free. And what is this bondage Jesus is speaking of in this context? Sin, for in vs. 34 Jesus says whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

So, these persons know the truth while in bondage to sin (and the wages of sin is death), and this knowledge of truth will make them free from this bondage.

And maybe a little off topic, but some teach that death brings forth sin, but the scriptures say sin brings forth death (Jam 1:15).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

has God permitted him to keep blind those who refuse to come to Christ?

IF they are not the Elect of God, does God just allowing them to keep blinded by satan than?

YES....did it to me for 52 years!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[convicted1]

mankind is tied into our "head of the human family" Adam...

When he sinned, became one with a sinful nature, and since than, ALL born have been counted by god as being "in Adam" so ALL experienced results of the fall, having sinful natures in them, part of the "Human condition"...

So babies ARE born as sinners, inheriting sinful nature from "father Adam:, but the death of Christ allows God to forbade judging them until after they become personally responsible/accountible for their own sins before God, at that point, WOULD have to receive jesus as saviour in order to have God give them a new nature in Christ...

I still scratch my head when people state that babies are born sinners. What sin(s) have they committed to be named thusly?

Look, here is the problem. There are two men the bible speaks about, the "inner" man, and the "outer" man. If you will study this out, Brother, and find where each of them comes from, you will see my point, and not the one on top o' my head!!!:tongue3::smilewinkgrin:

 

[stilllearning]

Hello convicted1

You asked........

“I still scratch my head when people state that babies are born sinners. What sin(s) have they committed to be named thusly?”

They have not committed any sins, yet they are sinners because they are human beings; (Adam & Eve sinned, as soon as they had the chance.)
And as soon as children know what sin is, they will commit it.

But as children, they are innocent and go to heaven if they die.

 

[Jim1999]

But as children, they are innocent and go to heaven if they die.
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So, regeneration means nothing! What makes children exempt from Adamic original sin?

And, if I could humanly avoid sin from infancy and the magical age of redemption, I would have no need of Jesus' redemptive act on the cross.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Winman]

But as children, they are innocent and go to heaven if they die.
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So, regeneration means nothing! What makes children exempt from Adamic original sin?

And, if I could humanly avoid sin from infancy and the magical age of redemption, I would have no need of Jesus' redemptive act on the cross.

Cheers,

Jim

I disagree. Romans 9:11 says Esau and Jacob had done neither good or evil. So, if they would have died in the womb without sin, would they still need Jesus? Yes, for two reasons.

#1 Children are flesh, and all flesh is under the curse. This is why we physically die. Jesus became a curse for us and redeemed us from the curse.

#2 While children have no sin, neither do they have righteousness, they have also done no good.

Do you remember when Jesus told the people that unless their righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and Pharisees they could in no case enter the kingdom?

So, righteousness is required to be saved. Children have done no evil, but they have neither done good.

 

[stilllearning]

Hi Jim

You said........

“So, regeneration means nothing! What makes children exempt from Adamic original sin?”

Yes, regeneration is needed, for those who are Spiritually dead;
But innocent children, are not dead yet............
Romans 7:9-11
V.9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
V.10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
V.11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].

 

[stilllearning]

Hi Winman

You quoted Jesus........

“Do you remember when Jesus told the people that unless their righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and Pharisees they could in no case enter the kingdom?”

You are right, children(anyone), needs Jesus to enter the kingdom.
Therefore children will not be part of the kingdom or the bride of Christ, yet they will be in heaven.

Just as Old Testament Jews, will be in heaven.