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charles_creech78
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The Deity of Jesus Christ and His Lordship
Beware of books that are written in support of the NIV. I have seen two different books that were defending the NIV that took 8-10 verses on the Deity of Christ, and put them into a table comparing the KJV and the NIV. The verses were carefully selected so that it appears that the NIV is stronger than the KJV on the Deity of Christ. If one looked only at their table and did not look at the list of verses below one would be convinced that the NIV strengthens the Deity of Christ. (Verses in the NIV that they say strengthens the Deity of Christ: Jn. 1:18;Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13; and II Pet. 1:1. Please note "strengthen" is an opinion of the writers in support of the NIV. These verses in the KJV can also be interpreted as supporting the Deity of Christ. Phil. 2:6 in the NIV in my opinion weakens the Deity of Christ "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.")
All of the passages listed below are not subjective opinions of how a word or phrase should be translated from the Greek. These are all facts. The following is not in the NIV and its Greek text, or has been added in the NIV and changed in its Greek text.
Matt. 1:25 removed - "firstborn" (From "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.")
Matt. 13:51 removed "Lord" (from "Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.")
Matt. 19:16 removed - "Good" (From "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?")
Matt. 19:17 removed - "God" (From "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments") Also part of v.17 is changed because "good" was removed in v. 16.
Matt. 22:32 "God" is changed to "He" implying that Jesus did not consider Himself as God.
Matt. 23:8 removed - "even Christ" (from "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.")
Matt. 24:36 adds "nor the Son" (To "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only")
Matt. 27:24 removed - "just" (From "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it
Matt. 28:6 removed - "Lord" (from "He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.")
Mk. 9:24 removed - "and said with tears, Lord," (From "And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.")
Mk. 12:29 removed - "Lord" (from "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord")
Lk. 2:33 "Joseph "is changed in the NIV's Greek to "the child's father" implying that Joseph was Jesus' father. ("And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.")
Lk. 2:43 "Joseph and his mother" is changed in the NIV's Greek to "his parents", implying Joseph was Jesus' father. ("And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.")
Lk. 4:41 removed - "Christ" (from "And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.") (Christ means Messiah)
Lk. 7:31 removed - "And the Lord said" (from "And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?")
Lk. 9:35 removed - "beloved"(from "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.)
added - " whom I have chosen"
Lk. 22:31 removed - "And the Lord said" (from "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:")
Jn. 1:27 removed - "is preferred before me"(from "He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.")
Jn. 3:13 removed - " which is in heaven" (from "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.")
Jn. 6:69 "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God" (KJV) is changed to "We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God." (NIV)
Jn. 8:24 added - "the one I claim to be" ("I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." NIV)
Jn. 8:28 added - "the one I claim to be" ("So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me." NIV)
Jn. 8:35 "The Son abideth forever" is changed to "a son belongs to it forever" ("And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever."KJV)
Jn. 8:38 "My Father" is changed to "the Father" ("I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father."KJV)
Jn. 9:35 "Son of God" is changed to "Son of man" ("Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?" KJV)
Jn .16:16 removed - "Because I go to the Father" (From "A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.")
Beware of books that are written in support of the NIV. I have seen two different books that were defending the NIV that took 8-10 verses on the Deity of Christ, and put them into a table comparing the KJV and the NIV. The verses were carefully selected so that it appears that the NIV is stronger than the KJV on the Deity of Christ. If one looked only at their table and did not look at the list of verses below one would be convinced that the NIV strengthens the Deity of Christ. (Verses in the NIV that they say strengthens the Deity of Christ: Jn. 1:18;Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13; and II Pet. 1:1. Please note "strengthen" is an opinion of the writers in support of the NIV. These verses in the KJV can also be interpreted as supporting the Deity of Christ. Phil. 2:6 in the NIV in my opinion weakens the Deity of Christ "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.")
All of the passages listed below are not subjective opinions of how a word or phrase should be translated from the Greek. These are all facts. The following is not in the NIV and its Greek text, or has been added in the NIV and changed in its Greek text.
Matt. 1:25 removed - "firstborn" (From "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.")
Matt. 13:51 removed "Lord" (from "Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.")
Matt. 19:16 removed - "Good" (From "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?")
Matt. 19:17 removed - "God" (From "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments") Also part of v.17 is changed because "good" was removed in v. 16.
Matt. 22:32 "God" is changed to "He" implying that Jesus did not consider Himself as God.
Matt. 23:8 removed - "even Christ" (from "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.")
Matt. 24:36 adds "nor the Son" (To "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only")
Matt. 27:24 removed - "just" (From "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it
Matt. 28:6 removed - "Lord" (from "He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.")
Mk. 9:24 removed - "and said with tears, Lord," (From "And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.")
Mk. 12:29 removed - "Lord" (from "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord")
Lk. 2:33 "Joseph "is changed in the NIV's Greek to "the child's father" implying that Joseph was Jesus' father. ("And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.")
Lk. 2:43 "Joseph and his mother" is changed in the NIV's Greek to "his parents", implying Joseph was Jesus' father. ("And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.")
Lk. 4:41 removed - "Christ" (from "And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.") (Christ means Messiah)
Lk. 7:31 removed - "And the Lord said" (from "And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?")
Lk. 9:35 removed - "beloved"(from "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.)
added - " whom I have chosen"
Lk. 22:31 removed - "And the Lord said" (from "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:")
Jn. 1:27 removed - "is preferred before me"(from "He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.")
Jn. 3:13 removed - " which is in heaven" (from "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.")
Jn. 6:69 "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God" (KJV) is changed to "We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God." (NIV)
Jn. 8:24 added - "the one I claim to be" ("I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." NIV)
Jn. 8:28 added - "the one I claim to be" ("So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me." NIV)
Jn. 8:35 "The Son abideth forever" is changed to "a son belongs to it forever" ("And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever."KJV)
Jn. 8:38 "My Father" is changed to "the Father" ("I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father."KJV)
Jn. 9:35 "Son of God" is changed to "Son of man" ("Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?" KJV)
Jn .16:16 removed - "Because I go to the Father" (From "A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.")
charles_creech78
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I did not know you where posting sorry.
charles_creech78 said:
Can you please tell us where you got all the info in those posts from?
And please tell me why it is not right for the textual Critics to pick what they feel are authentic texts today, but it was OK for the textual critics to do so in the 1500s.
The TR was derived from variant texts, just as the NU today...
charles_creech78
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Bilblical Reserch report and show me where it was derived from veriant text and in what bibles.
charles_creech78
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Who are you to tell me what to do Dan. What is your problem with me. Do you have something to say to me say it. Everything you have ever posted to me was nagative to me. I will not fight with you nor will stop doing things that I want to do. You are not speaking to a child. You are not my father. You have no right to tell me what to do.dan e. said:
charles_creech78 said:
Sheesh...I promise I intended sarcasm in that....oh the problems of the internet! They need a "sarcastic" smilie. Anyways...not trying to boss you around Charles, although on a serious note...I agree with others that you do indeed owe a citation to all of the jargon you posted.
charles_creech78
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See there you go again saying I am confused of what I have posted. Nagative to me. You think that I am unlearn. Well I love you brother and it hert me that you fill that way. I will not speak on this post again. Ro 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not WISE in your own conceitsdan e. said:
Ed Edwards
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Thank you. Here is what needs to be said whentinytim said:
one 'reports' people. The Legal Department of BB
needs to have the rule/law that is broken.
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Here is what you all agreed to when you signed up for
the Baptist Board (BB):
Material has been freely used above from:Baptist Board Agreement said:
http://www.freehousechurchresources.com/nivreport.php
At the bottom of that page:
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So here are the offences made above (earlier posts)
(I've seen people kicked off the board for violating
the rules here)
1. copys of copyrighted Free House Church Resources
were placed on the Baptist Board without permission
of both Free House Church Resources and Baptist Board.
2. The kindly request for a 'link back' of Free House Church
Resources was totally ignored.
3. Somebody didn't bother to go through all the past
posts on The Version/Translation Forum and notice that
every claim and misreprensation of that page has been
debunked on the Version/Translation Forum of BB.
4. #3 violates the Prime Directive of Internetting:
Read Before Posting!
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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charles_creech78 said:
I will address the issue Charles - it is a violation of BB policy to copy and paste material without giving due credit to the source. Future copy and paste posts that do not credit the source will be deleted.
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