Is the Doctrine of the Trinity wrong? (Eternal Generation/ eternally begotten)

[JonC]

You have zero Biblical evidence the term generation is used for the preexisting of the Son of God.

I never claimed that the terms "generated", Bible", "Trinity", "Soteriology", etc. are used in Scripture as titles for doctrines.

This is another failed attempt at distraction.

Eternal Generation ("generation" meaning "comes forth") simply states that the Word eternally comes forth from God (the Triune God).


You deny this.

I have offered many OT examples.

Show us where the Word does not "come forth" from YHWH (from the One Triune God) while eternally being YHWH.


Prove your point.

 

[JonC]

I do not need to.

Yes, you do because that is what you reject.

 

[JonC]

You have zero Biblical evidence the term generation is used for the preexisting of the Son of God.

Nobody is talking about the term. Don't be stupid.

We are talking about DOCTRINE.

Eternal Generation ("generation" meaning "comes forth") simply states that the Word eternally comes forth from God (the Triune God).


You deny this.

I have offered many OT examples.

Show us where the Word does not "come forth" from YHWH (from the One Triune God) while eternally being YHWH.


Prove your point.

 

[37818]

Yes, you do because that is what you reject.

I reject "generation" in Eternal Generation. Did you forget the issue?

 

[JonC]

Eternal Generation is the truth that the Second Person of the Trinity "comes forth" from the First Person of the Trinity.

We see this throughout the OT. We see this in John. We see this in the Father and the Son. We see this in Christophanies.

@37818 claims that YHWH changed and is not eternal in nature within the Trinity.

I am merely asking for proof.

I gave mine. He doesn't have to believe it.

But show your work!

 

[37818]

2 John 1:9, Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

 

[37818]

@37818 claims that YHWH changed . . .

Lie.

 

[JonC]

Lie.

Not a lie.

I mean you reject the eternal relationship between the Persons of the Trinity (Eternal Generation).

That is not a lie. That is EXACTLY what you have said (you reject that the 2nd Person of the Trinity "comes forth" from the 1st Person of the Trinity prior to the Incarnation).

 

[37818]

I mean you reject the eternal relationship between the Persons of the Trinity (Eternal Generation).

So without "literal" Biblical support you actually believe some kind of one to one equivalent is needed with "Eternal Generation" and the Person of Yahweh being immutable.

 

[JonC]

So without "literal" Biblical support you actually believe some kind of one to one equivalent is needed with "Eternal Generation" and the Person of Yahweh being immutable.

I did present literal Biblical support.

I am asking you to support the idea that the relationship of the Word changed in regard to the Trinity when the Word became flesh.

 

[37818]

Not a lie.

Yahweh is solely God.
Malachi 3:6, . . . For I am the LORD, I change not; . . .

To accuse me of claiming what I have never claimed or denied is not right.

 

[37818]

I did present literal Biblical support.

Quote it. ". . . eternal generation . . . ." ?

I am asking you to support the idea that the relationship of the Word changed in regard to the Trinity when the Word became flesh.

So are you claiming "became flesh" is no change?

 

[JonC]

Yahweh is solely God.
Malachi 3:6, . . . For I am the LORD, I change not; . . .

To accuse me of claiming what I have never claimed or denied is not right.

???

I know Yahweh is solely God.

But I am trinitarian (I believe in the One True God - God in 3 Persons).

You keep introducing Jehovah Witness arguments against the Trinity.

Are you even trinitarian?

 

[JonC]

Quote it. ". . . eternal generation . . . ." ?

So are you claiming "became flesh" is no change?

I have.

John 1 actually proves this. So does Henesis 1 and Revelation 13.

The Word remained the Word even at the Incarnation.


But what I am asking about is YOUR belief


You say Eternal Generation is false. So explain how the Word becoming flesh changed the role of the Word within the Trinity.

 

[JonC]

So are you claiming "became flesh" is no change?

As Christ's divinity (identity in the Godhead)?

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying and what you are denying.

YHWH is eternal.

 

[JonC]

Thread is closed due to length.

Continued here:

Is YHWH Eternal (in terms of Persons of the Trinity)?