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Is The Papacy Threatened?

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DHK

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This statement is found in the reports 'conclusion':

"Too often, assumptions have been made that this problem is worse in the Catholic clergy than in other sectors of society. This report does not support this conclusion. Indeed, it shows that family members are the most likely to sexually molest a child. It also shows that the incidence of the sexual abuse of a minor is slightly higher among the Protestant clergy than among the Catholic clergy, . . . "
What Lori doesn't get is that Baptists prosecute any and every sexual offender to the fullest extent of the law. Furthermore, at least in the circle of churches I am associated with, such a person is permanently disqualified from ever being a pastor again.

Whereas in the RCC such sins are covered up and the priest is simply moved to another diocese where he can commit the same crimes all over again. It has been occurring for centuries in this same manner.
 

lori4dogs

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DHK, you are a few years behind the times. The reforms in the RCC over the past 10-15 years have eliminated the problem of accused priests being transferred, etc. You can't entirely eliminate abuse, (abusers are notoriously good at covering their crimes) but the RCC has taken as many steps as humanly possible to root out abusive priests and punich them. There is always throughout society a minority of men across all professions (coach, teacher, minister, Boy Scout leader, etc) who will commit terrible crimes against children.

There is a process in the RCC whereby a priest is forbidden from excercising priestly functions if he has been convicted of abuse.

My friend's priest was removed from his parish with a mere accusation of acting inappropriately. He is now retired and does not have a parish anymore. There was never any proof of any wrongdoing, but the mere accusation was enough to remove him from parish life.

I'm not RCC, but I gotta ask how many times must the Bishops and Pope say they are sorry before the apology is accepted? How many millions/billions of dollars must be spent before the victims/accusers are satisfied?

Most of the crimes were commited 30-50 years ago, and many of the accused priests are dead and no longer able to defend themselves. Yet the RCC still made payments to the accusers and their lawyers. In what civil jurisdiction do we pronounce the word "guilty!" when the accused is not able to defend himself?

In response to DHK, I want to put this post of Peggy's back up.
 

DHK

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In response to DHK, I want to put this post of Peggy's back up.
What did Peggy say again:
I'm not RCC, but I gotta ask how many times must the Bishops and Pope say they are sorry before the apology is accepted? How many millions/billions of dollars must be spent before the victims/accusers are satisfied?

Most of the crimes were commited 30-50 years ago, and many of the accused priests are dead and no longer able to defend themselves. Yet the RCC still made payments to the accusers and their lawyers. In what civil jurisdiction do we pronounce the word "guilty!" when the accused is not able to defend himself?
Do you think that cuts it? Is that what repentance is--saying "I'm sorry?"
If a pedophile in our court system who was found guilty of raping and killing a dozen children stood before the judge and said "I am sorry," would the judge then pardon him on the basis of "I am sorry." You have a warped sense of justice if you are going to accept that!!
"I am sorry doesn't cut it." That is not repentance. And one individual's being sorry for another's crime is meaningless. Can you apologize for the wrongs of Timothy McVeigh? Why or why not? If he says "I am sorry," is "sorry" enough? Was there a crime involved? Does justice have to be carried out? Or just saying "sorry" enough?

Most of the crimes were carried out 30-50 years ago.
Is there a statue of limitations on these horrible crimes. Does time make them any less a crime? Does that make the pain of the victim go away? Really, does time simply erase all sin in God's sight?
 

matt wade

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Here is a link, Matt, one not yet posted on this thread, which shows the sexual abuse of minors is slightly higher among Protestant clergy being slightly higher than in the Catholic clergy.

http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm

I see nothing in that report that gives me actual facts on the matter. The only point (the one you point out) is an opinion of the author, without any factual basis. Again, I'll accept fact. Fact is something proving without a doubt the assumption. Nothing in this link gives proof.
 

Alive in Christ

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Lori...

Welcome back.

I hope that all went well with your surgery, and that God is healing you up in due time, and you will be back to 100% very soon. :thumbs:

AIG
 

DHK

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