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is the SDA Church then a cult?
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Just surprised that someone like walter martin did not think that they are!
nobody's perfect
true, but its just strange that we have Sda and RCC posting here under other Christian denominations, as do not see those churches as being really Christian!
IMO there are saved people in cults.
They get saved and then being babes they are seduced and kidnapped by the demonic ones.
why Jesus allows this i dont know but He does.
Anyone could look at your sect and see a cult as well, which in essence is nothing but another Christian sect started by one man in what, the 16th century? So a bit of advice, don't think you are so high and mighty in the realm of Christian belief.
Adonia what do you mean by "your sect"?
Baptist churches have no leadership figurehead as the SDA founder Ellen G White.
SDA theology deviates from that of orthodox Christianity to the point of some (not me) asking if it qualifies as a bonafide branch of Christianity.
IF someone dumps your belief are they in danger of HELL? APOSTATE?
The use of TERRORISM in this sense can be CULT-Like. But even folks here have a Light version of it. When doctrines override and make GOOD people do EVIL THINGS.
What makes something like JWs or scientologist worst they will SHUN you, for example in Scientology the person is labelled Suppressive Person, and if you contact them YOU become a Suppressive Person, you share in it.
JWs Children and husband will not talk to the mother. Thats tough. I don't think SDA's do this.
They get the typical danger of damnation, for believing differently. You get that here too.
"JWs Children and husband will not talk to the mother." you mean if she is not a JW?
The Baptist faith tradition is a Christian sect, one of the may thousands of non orthodox Christian faith traditions in existence which are offshoots of the initial Christian Church established here on earth - that is what I mean by calling Baptist your faith tradition a sect. People like our friend who call the long established Catholic faith tradition a "cult" is a charge beyond the pale and frankly I am tired of hearing such nonsense.
Jim Jones and David Koresch were leaders of cults, places where the faithful gave them all their worldly goods and bound themselves to them personally - even unto death.
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OK but that's the first time i have heard the Baptist Christian faith called a "sect".
it sounds a little bit to me that you are trying to justify something.
If she was a JW, or if she commits a serious sin. They will all shun her and if they don't, its like they share in the shunning.
During a service you go thru a magazine you would have studied already or on the spot. people are encourage to answer questions. Which makes them very knowledgable of scriptures. Very bible-student, heavy bible education.
Someone is shunned they more likely get censored from answering questions.
There is a meritocracy inside the system. Like you record how many houses you visit, who got help or not, who you study with, etc. With hourly requirements, and goals that make you progress in the hierarchy.
Circuit overseers are like travelling bishops they might get housed by a kingdomhall. These guys are pretty wise kind and sincere.
Also lets say your a parent-father and elder a notch up above a "publisher" you kid gets shunned, that can knock father out a rank of being a elder.
It gives me the feeling the guys on the TOP must think nothing is going wrong anywhere at all.
A non-jw, we can attend a jw service, they don' shun non-jws.
If you ever wanted to see what "working for salvation" looked like there ain't no better example. Everyone has paper and pencils writing down work time and hours a desk with boxes of magazines n' stuff.
For most part people are very nice, just wierdly conformed into a wrong direction. They don't think other than 144000 go to heaven. Its a new earth scenario. And the ressurection is more like cloning so if you died.....well God knows you well enough to copy and paste you. Its real weird.
AMAZING - Thanks
You would never have said that if you really knew any baptists
. "Baptists" as a whole group do not get along enough to be a sect. The term is a distinctive (there is no "Baptist" denomination but several baptistic denominations , many thinking they are not one. Baptists have existed outside of the Catholic Church. They were probably not baptists "like us", which is what gets people into trouble.Everyone wants to pretend they are like the first church, but the first church does not exist as an organizational entity (to include the Catholic Church, which is not today anything like it was in the past either). There is no record of the actual Catholic Church (as we use the term today) existing for the first couple centuries after Christ's resurrection. The 11th Century Catholic church was nothing like the 5th Century Catholic Church and neither is anything like the 16th century Catholic Church. But they (Catholics) are like some Baptists in that they like to pretend that they are the "original" Church. Both have created a history to claim what is not actually theirs by right, but it does not really matter.
I say if it helps them let them. Churches do not save, Jesus saves.
I consider "cults" to be not only sects but sects that have a doctrine that is unorthodox to the point it denies the gospel. Until the BB I had not considered SDA to fit into that category, but I also do not know much about them.
Thank you. When I have time I am going to work through the video.
You would never have said that if you really knew any baptists
Everyone wants to pretend they are like the first church, but the first church does not exist as an organizational entity (to include the Catholic Church, which is not today anything like it was in the past either). There is no record of the actual Catholic Church (as we use the term today) existing for the first couple centuries after Christ's resurrection. The 11th Century Catholic church was nothing like the 5th Century Catholic Church and neither is anything like the 16th century Catholic Church. But they (Catholics) are like some Baptists in that they like to pretend that they are the "original" Church. Both have created a history to claim what is not actually theirs by right, but it does not really matter.
I say if it helps them let them. Churches do not save, Jesus saves.
I consider "cults" to be not only sects but sects that have a doctrine that is unorthodox to the point it denies the gospel. Until the BB I had not considered SDA to fit into that category, but I also do not know much about them.
"There is no record of the actual Catholic Church (as we use the term today) existing for the first couple centuries after Christ's resurrection."
We use the term Catholic church same way as the early church.
"first couple centuries" How about within 70 years good enough?
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8
That is the Bishop Ignatius of Antioch. Disciple of John the apostle and appointed to his position by Peter.
Since he knows the apostles directly logic is he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to christianity?
The sweet thing about history is you get multiple perspectives not only from your "protagonists" but your "antagonists"
You got these catholics teaching catholic doctrine, you got romans and jews complaining about catholics.
When heretics show up, we got a history of what they believe and their view.
No where in history is a group butting heads and saying.......wait hold on who are these new guys these CATHOLICS.
They were always around. No where does anyone say we are baptists till 1500s when a ANGLICAN PRIEST became the first Baptist. He also BAPTIZED himself which he later repented of.
The guy who INVENTED BAPTIST, Left the baptist faith to be a Anabaptist-Mennonite.
Why? Cause he understood you couldn't be a PRETEND church that started last weekend, You are either the real deal or not. We can PLAINLY see who started your faith in history
We not putting in Job applications to be the Church of Jesus Christ. He started a church find it, if you don't like what you find fix it. But don't fake it.
Follow the first of each. First baptist, anglican priest, first anglican priest, CATHOLIC. You can't have a long line of fake teachers and you spontaneously understand Christianity better than anyone thousands of years later without it being taught to you. Then swear yourself the true while all your teachers are fake? Please....