Is the tithe for today?

[JamesL]

Are you proof-texting?

Well, considering the text in question says that the tithe was directly related to the Law, and the text says the thst the Law was directly related to the Aaronic priesthood, and the text says that the both the Law and the priesthood are done away with....I'd say it's proof.

But considering that the context is exactly the setting aside of the Law and priesthood, and the text emphatically states that it was the Law which commanded the tithe, it's not "proof-texting"

Have you found the book? It's in chapter 7

 

[evangelist6589]

I like you already....

I dont

 

[Crabtownboy]

Well, considering the text in question says that the tithe was directly related to the Law, and the text says the thst the Law was directly related to the Aaronic priesthood, and the text says that the both the Law and the priesthood are done away with....I'd say it's proof.

But considering that the context is exactly the setting aside of the Law and priesthood, and the text emphatically states that it was the Law which commanded the tithe, it's not "proof-texting"

Have you found the book? It's in chapter 7

Frankly, and I am serious about this, I see anyone arguing against a tithe or giving even more than a tithe as simply showing where their heart is and what is most important in their life. I say this very gently.

How do you bring that text into agreement with:

Matthew 5:17-19 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[JamesL]

...How do you bring that text into agreement with:

Matthew 5:17-19 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them....

He came to fulfill the Law
He died to abolish it

 

[Crabtownboy]

He came to fulfill the Law
He died to abolish it

Give me a passage that says thus. Thanks.

I would say that he fulfilled the law but did not abolish the law. We are saved by grace, not by law. No one, except Christ could fulfill the law.

I say again, you can tell where a person's heart is by where he puts his money.

 

[Don]

He came to fulfill the Law
He died to abolish it

I'm not sure "abolished" is the correct word; but the passage in Matthew is supported by Galatians 3:24-25.

 

[Salty]

I dont

and you wonder why people give you a hassle

 

[JamesL]

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I say again, you can tell where a person's heart is by where he puts his money.

I won't have any further exchange with you until you clean up this mess. Are you accusing me of something?

I could insert a list of my giving that would embarrass people, but it would be an exercise in the flesh.

So why do you keep directing that statement toward me?

 

[Alcott]

Frankly, and I am serious about this, I see anyone arguing against a tithe or giving even more than a tithe as simply showing where their heart is and what is most important in their life. I say this very gently.

How do you bring that text into agreement with:

Matthew 5:17-19 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;...

Have you ever used the unfaithful wife test? Do you slaughter your passover lamb?
Yeah, if preachers or anyone else ignores these things from the law, but they want more of your money,by insisting on the 'tithe' part, that shows where their heart is.

 

[Revmitchell]

Have you ever used the unfaithful wife test? Do you slaughter your passover lamb?
Yeah, if preachers or anyone else ignores these things from the law, but they want more of your money,by insisting on the 'tithe' part, that shows where their heart is.

Please show me that the tithe is strictly determined by the law.

 

[Alcott]

Please show me that the tithe is strictly determined by the law.

Thus all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s; it is holy to the Lord [Leviticus 27:30].

There you shall bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the contribution of your hand, your votive offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock [Deuteronomy 12:6].

 

[OnlyaSinner]

If 10% was to be the NT standard for Christian giving, I would have expected to see something to that effect in Paul's discussion of giving in 2 Cor. 8 and 9. Though I disagree with Hank Hanagraff on much, I do like his characterizing the tithe as "training wheels for Christian giving."

 

[Revmitchell]

Thus all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s; it is holy to the Lord [Leviticus 27:30].

There you shall bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the contribution of your hand, your votive offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock [Deuteronomy 12:6].

Are you aware that tithing existed long before the law?

 

[Reynolds]

Give me a passage that says thus. Thanks.

I would say that he fulfilled the law but did not abolish the law. We are saved by grace, not by law. No one, except Christ could fulfill the law.

I say again, you can tell where a person's heart is by where he puts his money.

His money. His time. His energy.
I spend a whole lot of time doing things that cost very little. If they cost a lot, I would still do them.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I won't have any further exchange with you until you clean up this mess. Are you accusing me of something?

No. I don't know what you give. Perhaps you give more than a tithe. I am making a general statement of what I believe about giving. But it is just like works and faith. Show me you works and I will show you your faith. Works do not save, but they do show a person's faith.

I could insert a list of my giving that would embarrass people, but it would be an exercise in the flesh.

I have not ask you to do so. Read again the reply to your first comment above.

So why do you keep directing that statement toward me?

It is not necessarily aimed at you. I respond because you are discussing this with me and I respond to your comment.

 

[JamesL]

He came to fulfill the Law
He died to abolish it

Give me a passage that says thus. Thanks.

I would say that he fulfilled the law but did not abolish the law.....

Ephesians 2 says He abolished the Law, which separated Jews from gentiles:

11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—

12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,

15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.


The Law was for Jews, and was given in the context of an inheritance which did not belong to Gentiles. The Law kept Gentiles from the inheritance in Christ. But, as verse 15 says, the law was abolished, and verse 16 says tbe enmity was put to death.

Also consider:
But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious.....(1Tim. 1:8-9)

 

[JonC]

I say again, you can tell where a person's heart is by where he puts his money.

I do not believe the tithe, as a strict 10%, applies today. But the reason is I believe the tithe pointed to a greater fulfillment in a people who would die to themselves and live in Christ. As such, I think that your paraphrase of Matthew 6:21 is on target. Those of us who believe the tithe as a mandatory observance is fulfilled the sacrificial New Testament giving have no room to even suggest this be less than a tithe because the symbol is always less than the thing it foreshadows. Moses was less than Christ. The priesthood was less than the priesthood of believers. The nation of Israel as God's people was less than the Church as the Bride. And the Tithe must be less than NT sacrificial giving.

The argument for those who reject tithing should be that a tithe is so miniscule compared to the giving of a man who has died to himself and given all to Christ. We can tell where a person's heart is by where he puts his money, his time, his thoughts, his entertainment....his life.

 

[JamesL]

I do not believe the tithe, as a strict 10%, applies today. But the reason is I believe the tithe pointed to a greater fulfillment in a people who would die to themselves and live in Christ. As such, I think that your paraphrase of Matthew 6:21 is on target. Those of us who believe the tithe as a mandatory observance is fulfilled the sacrificial New Testament giving have no room to even suggest this be less than a tithe because the symbol is always less than the thing it foreshadows. Moses was less than Christ. The priesthood was less than the priesthood of believers. The nation of Israel as God's people was less than the Church as the Bride. And the Tithe must be less than NT sacrificial giving.

The argument for those who reject tithing should be that a tithe is so miniscule compared to the giving of a man who has died to himself and given all to Christ. We can tell where a person's heart is by where he puts his money, his time, his thoughts, his entertainment....his life.

I like your "less than" contrasts. It's good stuff to ponder.

I see it as an issue of bondage. The entire law was the ministry of death from which we've been freed.

 

[TCassidy]

The tithe in the bible is much more than just wages.

We are to give to God a proportion of our:

Time
Treasure
Talent
Testimony

 

[Revmitchell]

I would say that if someone struggles to tithe any of those things listed by TCassidy then they should pray that the Lord lead them, guide them, provide for the means to be in a place where they can tithe those things and then plan their lives as such that they never put themselves in a position where they cannot do so in the future.