Is There a difference between practicing Homosexuality and celibete?

[freeatlast]

You're completely ignoring the point--as well as ignoring scripture. Your contention is that before allowing someone to fill a position in a church, you can simply ask them what sins they're struggling with; and you support that position with the verse you mention above.

I counter your position with the fact that the same bible that gives us the verse you referenced also tells us that the heart is desperately wicked; who can know it? And thus, someone who is willing to hide their sin, but for whatever reason wants a position in the church--whether it be to gain access to funds, or gain access to young children or young ladies, or maybe they just suffer from a pride and/or vanity problem--may be willing to lie to you about their hidden sin, to the point of leading a life that appears blameless, and you won't be able to prevent it because you don't know what's in someone else's heart until after they act on what's truly in their hearts.

Thus, your position that we can know their hearts before we put them in the position is incorrect.

And the biggest scriptural proof that you're incorrect? How long did Judas live with 11 other apostles--including Peter and John, authors of books of scripture--and they had no clue he would go the way he did?

I did not intend to suggest that a person could not hide the truth. I was referring to the fact that those who live contrary to truth show their heart.
Also if a person lies when asked all has been done that can be done, but still ask. I think that you will find that if scripture is followed as given the church would be as the Lord intended instead of what we see today.

However to the topic if someone is a proclaimed non practicing homosexual then they are disqualified even though they do not practice the sin in the flesh.

 

[JesusFan]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Study your Greek. Present tense continual action. We are currently saved, being saved, and will be saved. It is a current reality without all the eternal experiences.

The greek here would refer to the believer havong a lifestyle that would as a "practice/habit" show off that he/she has indded been saved by Grace, as they would now be living for the Lord as a normal/customary way BUT

Does NOT mean that they would not submit back to sinning, nor would vever sin again, its refering to the fact that a Christian is expected to and can live for God in power of his new life as one "ought to", that will be hios "normal way"

The Christian thus from John would be one who normal walk will be to avoid sinning, abiding in Christ would be norm, BUT still can at times sin, and when he does, John in 1 John they need to confess/repent, get cleansed, and keep moving foward!

So from this passage, the Bible indeed does teach that we should walk in a manner worthy of jesus, BUT also teaches that there will be times when a saint of God will fall into sin, then he needs to confess/repent and once restored/cleansed, keeps moving on!

This is a heart issue involved, as IF the sain of God chooses to sin, than he will face conviction, and will know that he has broken fellowship with the father, and will be finding his way back home...
Thing is though that some of us more 'pig heaed" so some will come back after just a "slap on the wrist" others will need to get a good "belt paddling!"

The sinner whois "faking it", will still keep doing same ole thing, as that is his nature on display!

 

[freeatlast]

So from this passage, the Bible indeed does teach that we should walk in a manner worthy of jesus, BUT also teaches that there will be times when a saint of God will fall into sin, then he needs to confess/repent and once restored/cleansed, keeps moving on!

This is a heart issue involved, as IF the sain of God chooses to sin, than he will face conviction, and will know that he has broken fellowship with the father, and will be finding his way back home...
Thing is though that some of us more 'pig heaed" so some will come back after just a "slap on the wrist" others will need to get a good "belt paddling!"

The sinner whois "faking it", will still keep doing same ole thing, as that is his nature on display!

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God

 

[JesusFan]

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God

Someone whose habits/life styles would be that pf continual commiting acts of sin would indicate taht one was not really saved...

Someone though can be truely saved by/of God, but can still find themselves falling into "besitting sins"

can still sin, sometimes mightily, but will also have heart bent to coming back to their Lord via confession/repentance and moving on!

 

[freeatlast]

Someone whose habits/life styles would be that pf continual commiting acts of sin would indicate taht one was not really saved...

Someone though can be truely saved by/of God, but can still find themselves falling into "besitting sins"

can still sin, sometimes mightily, but will also have heart bent to coming back to their Lord via confession/repentance and moving on!

Scripture agrees with that as long as the sin is not their practice. It just happenes from time to time and they are always seeking how to overcome the sin.