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Is there anything I can't do...........
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I believe I use the word correctly. In moderation, drink is not a sin. Without moderation, ANYTHING can become sin. The Tea people drink in the morning, without moderation can become sin. The TV, computer, buying toys for the house, anything, without moderation can become sin.
I believe, and firmly believe that drinking is not a sin, in moderation. Getting Drunk is a sin.
OK, here goes...
1. No, although it can if I get drunk, which I don't do.
2. Since I didn't know this word, I looked it up, after reading it over, then my answer would be: Yes
3. It edify's just as much as a glass of soda, a tea, or anything else I drink while eating my meal.
4. It doesn't help nor hinder anyone. Again, we're not talking about going to the bar and drinking to get drunk.
We're talking about having a glass of Wine, or beer. If my brother/sister has a problem with it, maybe they are an alcoholic, then I will drink something else. That's being a good Christian, it doesn't mean that something is a sin. An example would be a 300lb friend decides to come over for dinner tonight. I still have tons and ton of Christmas candy around. As a good Christian, to be senstive to his eating problem, I would put away all the candy so it wouldn't tempt him.
Does that make Candy bad or wrong or a sin? No, but it does make sense to not have it out when he is over since he has problems with eating.
Now I have answered your questions, and won't post in this topic about drinking anymore. Although it's a part of the topic, it's not meant to be the topic and there are tons of other "drinking" threads that we can discuss this in.
Jamie
standingfirminChrist
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That is not edifying the body. That is satisfying the flesh.
Edifying is building up. Alcohol does not build up the body, but rather tears it down.
That is not edifying the body. That is satisfying the flesh.
Edifying is building up. Alcohol does not build up the body, but rather tears it down. </font>[/QUOTE]Because I am going to abide by the rules, and not derail this thread any longer with alcohol questions, you will see my answer here to your post.
My Response
If you want to talk to me about alcohol, please take it to an alcohol thread, as CK4 has asked us to stay on topic here.
Thanks!
Jamie
standingfirminChrist
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I thought this thread was titled, "Is there anything I can't do...?' Would not drinking alcohol be one of the subjects a christian cannot do since the Bible says Look not upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup; when it moveth itself aright.?
Since "Is there anything I can't do...?' is the title of the thread, I would think alcohol could be discussed here.
The thing is, discussions, whether here or in another thread, are turning into attacks on a person instead of a debate on the issue.
Since "Is there anything I can't do...?' is the title of the thread, I would think alcohol could be discussed here.
The thing is, discussions, whether here or in another thread, are turning into attacks on a person instead of a debate on the issue.
You are correct to a point. I think since there are so many other alcohol threads going, it would be better to keep this out of this current thread even though it kind of fits.
Since we have other threads we can talk about alcohol in, let's let this one be for other things people believe we can/can't do.
I do agree with you there, BOTH sides of the fence has spew out the hate, and that hasn't gotten us anywhere. We still strongly disagree with one another.
It's a shame, that as Christians we can't overcome even that.
In another thread where someone asked something along the lines of what the biggest downfall of Christainity, and in my answer to that question it was: Each other.
I think it's time to take a break from the Alcohol discussion, it doesn't show our (Everyone's) best side at all.
Jamie
Gregory Perry Sr.
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Well folks...I just picked this thread up for the 1st time and after scanning the content(and shaking my head a few times)I have only one question in reference to the "Can a Bible-Believing Christian Drink Alcoholic Beverages?" issue.That question is simply this.....Can ANYBODY tell me from a BIBLICAL footing (for OUR modern day and time)what GOOD and measureable amount of righteousness and good FRUIT has EVER come from a Christian partaking of fermented BOOZE?I think if we err...we should err on the side of God our Father...who loved us and gave His Only Begotten Son as a sacrifice for our sin.Let every man (or woman) be fully persuaded in their own mind.We will all give account at the JSOC if we are saved.
Greg Sr.
Greg Sr.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Can ANYBODY tell me from a BIBLICAL footing (for OUR modern day and time)what GOOD and measureable amount of righteousness and good FRUIT has EVER come from a Christian partaking of a cup of coffee or overeating at a church fellowship? I think if we err...we should err on the side of God our Father...who loved us and gave His Only Begotten Son as a sacrifice for our sin.Let every man (or woman) be fully persuaded in their own mind.
Hope of Glory
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Hey, I'm a Baptist; we have a covered dish dinner monthly; for us, it's a full contact sport!
Our Lords first recorded miracle was related to fermented wine.
Jesus also drank wine during the last supper when he said.
"Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new[c] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
I know your going to tell me the wine was not wine. But that argument is very weak. See all the past threads on the subject.
Hope of Glory
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OK, here's a question: Does the Bible ever record Jesus drinking wine? I know he made wine, and he gave wine to his disciples, but does he ever drink it? (I could look it up, but...)
Why I'm asking is that Jesus never broke the laws of man, nor the laws of God. He obeyed both the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. However, he only held his disciples to the spirit of the law. For example, when they were going through the fields picking grain, he approved, even though it violated the Pharisaical (sp?) laws, but he himself did not.
So, I'm thinking that maybe he did not partake because of some artificial, man-made law about consuming wine, but held his disciples only to the intent of the law itself.
Then again, without study, this idea may have no merit whatsoever. It's not something I've ever thought about.
Why I'm asking is that Jesus never broke the laws of man, nor the laws of God. He obeyed both the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. However, he only held his disciples to the spirit of the law. For example, when they were going through the fields picking grain, he approved, even though it violated the Pharisaical (sp?) laws, but he himself did not.
So, I'm thinking that maybe he did not partake because of some artificial, man-made law about consuming wine, but held his disciples only to the intent of the law itself.
Then again, without study, this idea may have no merit whatsoever. It's not something I've ever thought about.
Well, we're talking about wine here and not booze; not liquor. I'm also not certain about beer, as it's from grain and not the vine. But, booze or liquor were not around then for it to be commented upon, but I do see more problems associated with it than with wine.
I got the idea that he drank during the last supper because it would have been tradition and also because he says this.
But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
Matthew 26:29
He says from now on, kind of like this is my last drink until
As for breaking the laws, I dont think there were laws against drinking wine but He did heal on the Sabbath and that was defenantly against the law. Jesus did it anyway.
But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
Matthew 26:29
He says from now on, kind of like this is my last drink until
As for breaking the laws, I dont think there were laws against drinking wine but He did heal on the Sabbath and that was defenantly against the law. Jesus did it anyway.
Hope of Glory
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It has always been my assumption that he drank, but do the Scriptures state it?
Also, a Jewish man once explained to me that the laws of healing on the Sabbath involved the laying on of hands. Did Jesus ever touch the man who was healed on the Sabbath?
Also, a Jewish man once explained to me that the laws of healing on the Sabbath involved the laying on of hands. Did Jesus ever touch the man who was healed on the Sabbath?
I can not find anything that says specificly he drank wine.
I found this but I dont know if After Sabbath sunset is on the Sabbath or just after it is over?
Many Healed After Sabbath Sunset
40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them. 41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ,[n] the Son of God!”
And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.
And this does not exactly say he touched him. He took him and let him go.
A Man with Dropsy Healed on the Sabbath
But they kept silent. And He took him and healed him, and let him go.
Luke 14:4
I am interested to hear what others think about this.
I found this but I dont know if After Sabbath sunset is on the Sabbath or just after it is over?
Many Healed After Sabbath Sunset
40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them. 41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ,[n] the Son of God!”
And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.
And this does not exactly say he touched him. He took him and let him go.
A Man with Dropsy Healed on the Sabbath
But they kept silent. And He took him and healed him, and let him go.
Luke 14:4
I am interested to hear what others think about this.
Please vote in the Poll re: real wine in Communion at Baptist churches. Thanks.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/39/1562.html
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/39/1562.html
You say this but don't support it with scripture. Why would you attempt to add to what God said?
The Bible distinctly condemns drunkeness. Thing is- it doesn't specifically condemn all alcohol consumption and there is significant historical reason to believe that the wine mentioned had a small amount of alcohol in it.
I don't drink alcohol and don't plan to. My concern isn't what is permissable on this issue but what is "best". But my conviction is not the same as a standard provided by God Himself... therefore I am scripturally bound to allow others their legitimate liberty.
Isn't that sort of on the same order as "Why would God create the forbidden tree if He knew Adam would eat it?"
Hope of Glory
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The title to this thread is, "Is there anything a Christian can't do", or something along those lines. That's a different question than, "Is there anything a Christian may not do".
For example, I was stuck behind 3 cars that were driving below the speed limit, but no one was passing. I wanted to pass, so I passed all three. I have a pretty nice little car, and to my wife's chagrin, she discovered that my car will go from 50 to 120 in three car length's of passing.
She looked over at me and said, "You can't do that!" to which I replied, "Well, I obviously can, as I just did. But, I may not do that."
So, by the same token, a Christian can do anything and not worry about losing his salvation. However, there are many things that a Christian may not do, and if he does, he will pay a price for it.
For example, I was stuck behind 3 cars that were driving below the speed limit, but no one was passing. I wanted to pass, so I passed all three. I have a pretty nice little car, and to my wife's chagrin, she discovered that my car will go from 50 to 120 in three car length's of passing.
She looked over at me and said, "You can't do that!" to which I replied, "Well, I obviously can, as I just did. But, I may not do that."
So, by the same token, a Christian can do anything and not worry about losing his salvation. However, there are many things that a Christian may not do, and if he does, he will pay a price for it.
Hope of Glory
New Member
I was trying to emphasize that a Christian can do anything; he has free will. That doesn't mean that he becomes lost or that he was never saved in the first place.
But, there are many things that a Christian may not do. He will answer for those things, even though he does them.
However, that doesn't really apply to 1 Corinthians 10:23. Because there are many things that are unlawful for a Christian to do, and he can still do them.
Many Christians live a life of lawlessness, doing what is right in their own eyes.
But, there are many things that a Christian may not do. He will answer for those things, even though he does them.
However, that doesn't really apply to 1 Corinthians 10:23. Because there are many things that are unlawful for a Christian to do, and he can still do them.
Many Christians live a life of lawlessness, doing what is right in their own eyes.