Is This really Lordship Salvation view then?

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m sorry you misunderstand my position. I have been as candid as I know how.

I am sorry you misunderstand my point. My point is your opinion is yours. But it can come across as legalistic.

You continue to confuse me. We appear to be saying the same thing, but then you make the accusation of legalism against me. What if no one “noticed a difference”? Do you give that person assurance of salvation?

I am just saying the words you use “sound”legalistic. I am not saying you are

Again I do not think you understand what I am saying

Again, I don’t declare anyone saved or unsaved. But we must discern if our brethren are struggling to walk after Christ.

If you are discipline them or in authority or they are a close friend yeah you should

If not. Judge not lest you be judged

Again, are you certain you are opposed to Lordship Salvation? We agree, again.

Yes I am

The Apostle Paul commanded us to walk in a manner worthy of our calling. It is biblical to use that language.

Would you say this to someone not saved or a new babe who does not yet understand what this means?

It is a worth while effort, to be sure. If, however, someone professes Christ and then makes no attempt to follow His commands, to walk in a manner worthy… would you tell them not to worry, their salvation is certain?

I would ask them if they truly trusted Christ and what that means. I would not judge them. I have learned you come in judgment t not in love. You will get a hand in the face

Well, I don’t understand the difference between pointing people to serving and loving others…. But not in how they are behaving. Isn’t that the same thing?

It’s pointing people to service not to self. Lordship salvation points to self in my view. What am I doing

Ok, we agree…. Again.

I think we agree far more than disagree. In fact, I don’t really see any doctrinal differences between us… just an objection to using certain words to describe those beliefs.

Peace to you

There is some difference but yes we are pretty much the same

 

[canadyjd]

I am sorry you misunderstand my point. My point is your opinion is yours. But it can come across as legalistic.

Nothing I have stated pushes legalism. That may be a knee jerk reaction if you do not understand what Lordship salvation means.

I am just saying the words you use “sound”legalistic. I am not saying you are

Please quote the words I used that sound legalistic? I’m trying to understand your position.

Would you say this to someone not saved or a new babe who does not yet understand what this means?

Of course I would and I have. How will they learn if no one tells them the expectation of salvation is a transformed life.

I would ask them if they truly trusted Christ and what that means. I would not judge them. I have learned you come in judgment t not in love. You will get a hand in the face

I speak the truth in love, but I know some will not accept it.

It’s pointing people to service not to self. Lordship salvation points to self in my view….

Then you do not understand Lordship salvation.

Salvation is about a relationship with Jesus Christ. Not service to others. Not good works. Those things will naturally flow from the reconciled relationship. I point to the relationship with Jesus and all that means.

There is some difference but yes we are pretty much the same

Agreed

Peace to you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nothing I have stated pushes legalism. That may be a knee jerk reaction if you do not understand what Lordship salvation means.

ok, there is no need to go on.

You are not understanding a thing I am saying, it seems you just want to defend yourself. so ....

Please quote the words I used that sound legalistic? I’m trying to understand your position.

I have already done this.

Of course I would and I have. How will they learn if no one tells them the expectation of salvation is a transformed life.

Remind me not to send anyone who needs help to you.

I speak the truth in love, but I know some will not accept it.

sometimes we need to find another path.. I do not need to judge someone. and I can still speak the truth.

thats where we differ

I grew up in a church that was lordship for a few years. I saw massive exodus. I saw many walk away from God and I saw no growth. because they wanted everyone to focus on self. instead of getting to the heart of the matter.

Then you do not understand Lordship salvation.

I lived it my friend,

Salvation is about a relationship with Jesus Christ. Not service to others. Not good works.

Then you do not know anything about Jesus.

Jesus lived a life of service. He put everyone's needs above his own, and he demanded we do the same.

He also showed us how to obey the law. By loving God and loving others.

Those things will naturally flow from the reconciled relationship. I point to the relationship with Jesus and all that means.

Your pointing to personal righteousness. How good aw we. Not how we become good little children of God.

Agreed

Peace to you

peace to you also.

I am sorry. I just have seen how lordship salvation destroys people. and I have seen how teaching others to love has not only serviced people. But it has cause massive growth not only in the church. but in peoples relationship with God

 

[JesusFan]

hmm.. now this I will have to think on..

They Godheed agreed from eternity past that the Father would send to earth His Son, The Son assumed human flesh and be the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, and the Holy Spirit convicts and ebanles those who get saved to then be sealed unto the inheritance of the Physical glorified body, basically Romans 8

 

[canadyjd]

ok, there is no need to go on….

Ok, thanks for the conversation

Peace to you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They Godheed agreed from eternity past that the Father would send to earth His Son, The Son assumed human flesh and be the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, and the Holy Spirit convicts and ebanles those who get saved to then be sealed unto the inheritance of the Physical glorified body, basically Romans 8

Not sure the person has to understand this to be saved Now after they are saved. it is one of the first things they should learn