Is This Wrong?

[righteousdude2]

Uh, oh....

Zaac, that is an absurd accusation, and I think you owe an apology to everyone here who disagrees with you.

No one is celebrating Trayvon's death. No one is celebrating George as a hero. George certainly doesn't feel like a hero. He defended his life, but at the expense of another life. That is a net-zero outcome from practical, moral and spiritual vantage points.

How did Trayvon come to that moment? What led him to be confrontational when all he had to be was respectful? Why attack a man when all he had to do was offer a brief explanation?

We'll never know. He's dead. But, unlike your constant and absurd assertion, he wasn't "murdered." He died, literally, at his own hand. He brought judgment upon himself. I know you'll never accept that, but you're going to have to accept that the verdict is just, fair and with great legal merit. Otherwise, you're going to die of a perforated ulcer from the worry you are putting into this matter.

You have asked also sorts of questions from the aspect of what George did wrong. Why not reverse some of those questions, making Trayvon the subject of such questions, and see if you don't come to the same conclusions the Stanton Police Department did. You realize, don't you, they did not prefer charges? You realize, don't you, the county attorney did not prefer charges? No, it was the state's attorney who preferred charges and fought the losing battle? Why? To gain justice? No, to gain political capital for the upcoming gubernatorial race. That's the only reason the case was tried.

It is a lousy reason to put a man through hell when he has already done that himself every single night since the young man died because he was trying to could kill George.

You don't like that viewpoint. Trayvon 's parents don't like that viewpoint. Too bad. It is the only viewpoint left standing.

.....now you went and did it! :wavey: Be prepared for a long winded, post with your every word dissected until the crow crows! :thumbs:

 

[Luke2427]

I haven't implied anything. You obviously assumed what you wanted.



He got out his car and pursued someone and got into a confrontation that took someones's life. George Zimmerman did a WHOLE lot wrong. And it's nothing but prejudice against Blacks and ,as some on here say , "the race baiters" for crying race too much that has so many on this board and in conservative talk radio/tv land saying Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong.

They both did a lot wrong.



Denial of what truth? Your bias doesn't make an opinion the truth.:laugh:

You don't know that Zimmerman did anything wrong anymore than the people you criticize know that Martin was a thug.

Zimmerman CAN get out of his car if he wants to.

He can walk on the same sidewalk as ANYBODY if he wants to.

It is not wrong to do that.

He certainly OUGHT to do it if his community is depending on him to stave off the burglaries that have been plaguing them recently.

And if a boy jumps on him for walking on the same blamed SIDEWALK as he does, and breaks his nose, knocks him to the ground, pins him and then beats him violently with his fists continually until Zimmerman is afraid he is going to die...

then Zimmerman OUGHT to shoot the boy.

Zimmerman owes that to his wife, his Mother and Father and loved ones.

There would be NOTHING noble about laying there and letting this boy take the life of your wife's husband and your father's and mother's son.

 

[righteousdude2]

Where's the "beef?"

This is the closet I have seen you come to admitting Martin was wrong [at fault] too! :wavey:

My reasoning behind this OP question is to see if anyone else thinks that Trayvon should be considered a hero, or martyr? As I've said many times, both were wrong, and it is sad that one had to pay the ultimate price. Still, we don't know if Zimmerman picked up his weapon that evening with the premeditated intent to go out, find a black person, and kill them?

LIKEWISE, we don't know if Trayvon was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time? We don't know what his motives were, nor do we know if he was to blame for the increase in home robberies. He may have been a lookout for another group of friends vandalizing and stealing when he was confronted by Zimmerman?

We just don't know what was the mindset of both boys, and with that said, I do not believe Trayvon should be hailed and have songs and programs dedicated to him, any more than Zimmerman should be accorded the same!

Let's say, for argument's sake, that in the next year, a group of teens is arrested for the burglaries, and it comes out in testimony, and DNA/fingerprint evidence that Trayvon was one of the groups stealing from homes in Zimmerman's neighborhood. Will you be willing to change your bravado? Will those blacks who have marched and demanded justice, apologize to Zimmerman? I don't think so?!?!? :BangHead:

Man, I could've bet the ranch that this comment would've been ripped apart and dissected line-for-line; word-for-word!

Let me take note, and see what is so special about this comment that spared me a tongue lashing :laugh: I'll have to follow the premise of this comment in the future to keep me from being wrongly accused of racism and prejudice!

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Suppose it was your son?

Would you feel the same if you got a call that your son was beating on someone and that person pulled a gun and shot him dead?

Or is there the slightest chance that you would want to see that man imprisoned? Would you argue that the one with the gun could have subdued your son with a well-placed punch or kick?

 

[Luke2427]

Suppose it was your son?

Would you feel the same if you got a call that your son was beating on someone and that person pulled a gun and shot him dead?

Or is there the slightest chance that you would want to see that man imprisoned? Would you argue that the one with the gun could have subdued your son with a well-placed punch or kick?

Are you asking me?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Something that all should think about.

Seems everyone is quick to condemn one or the other.

 

[Luke2427]

Something that all should think about.

Seems everyone is quick to condemn one or the other.

"All"?

"Everyone"?

I say a man has a right to walk on the same sidewalk as ANYBODY in this country.

I say a man can drive laps around his own neighborhood in his car ANYTIME he wants to.

I say if somebody tries to beat him to death for it and he is armed he ought to shoot the person beating him to death.

Pretty simple, I think.

 

[Zaac]

You don't know that Zimmerman did anything wrong anymore than the people you criticize know that Martin was a thug.

Again, pure silliness and discounting info that was made public. There are transcripts and recordings of him talking to the 911 dispatcher. Nothing but bias would lead anyone to say that ZImmerman didn't do anything wrong.

Zimmerman CAN get out of his car if he wants to.

Didn't say he couldn't . Trayvon could walk the streets with a hoodie on his head too.

He can walk on the same sidewalk as ANYBODY if he wants to.

It is not wrong to do that.

Didn't say he couldn't. He wasn't just walking though. He was looking for him.

He certainly OUGHT to do it if his community is depending on him to stave off the burglaries that have been plaguing them recently.

Then he and his community are dumb. That's the polices job. Neighborhood Watch means WATCH and report. It doesn't mean get out your car or house and pursue.

And if a boy jumps on him for walking on the same blamed SIDEWALK as he does, and breaks his nose, knocks him to the ground, pins him and then beats him violently with his fists continually until Zimmerman is afraid he is going to die...

then Zimmerman OUGHT to shoot the boy.

But nowhere in there did Zimmerman do anything wrong in your opinion? Too funny. It's hilarious the way the talking points of talk show hosts influence what's said on this board.

Zimmerman owes that to his wife, his Mother and Father and loved ones.

There would be NOTHING noble about laying there and letting this boy take the life of your wife's husband and your father's and mother's son.

But Zimmerman did nothing wrong to get to that point?(smh)

And folks wonder why Blacks make noise about cases like this.

 

[Luke2427]

Again, pure silliness and discounting info that was made public. There are transcripts and recordings of him talking to the 911 dispatcher. Nothing but bias would lead anyone to say that ZImmerman didn't do anything wrong.

The 911 dispatcher can ADVISE ANYONE, but NNE HAS to obey.

911 dispatchers are not always the sharpest knives in the drawer anyway.

Their words are not law.

Zimmerman not abiding by the ADVISE of the 911 dispatcher is not wrong.

Didn't say he couldn't . Trayvon could walk the streets with a hoodie on his head too.

And Zimmerman did not stop him from walking the streets. He did not brandish his firearm and tell him to stop walking the streets. Zimmerman in no way whatsoever impeded Travon's right to walk the streets.

Zimmerman shot Travon because Travon jumped on him and beat him unmercifully.

It's as simple as that.

Didn't say he couldn't. He wasn't just walking though. He was looking for him.

So what? He was looking. So what?

That's not against the law either.

Your arguments are utterly without reason and legal support.

Zimmerman can follow someone for fifty yards or fifty miles if he wants to. So long as he is not taunting him or threatening him, ZIMMERMAN HAS EVERY RIGHT TO FOLLOW HIM!!

ESPECIALLY IF TRAVON LOOKED LIKE ONE OF THE THUGS WHO HAVE BEEN TERRORIZING HIS NEIGHBORHOOD!!

Then he and his community are dumb. That's the polices job. Neighborhood Watch means WATCH and report. It doesn't mean get out your car or house and pursue.

That's what he did. He watched and reported.

You can watch from your car seat or you can watch on your feet walking behind someone. But all Zimmerman did was watch.

Travon tried to beat him to death for it.

But nowhere in there did Zimmerman do anything wrong in your opinion? Too funny. It's hilarious the way the talking points of talk show hosts influence what's said on this board.

What's hilarious is the ease with which people are led by their feelings instead of the facts.

You got feelings.

I got facts.

It's that simple.

And folks wonder why Blacks make noise about cases like this.

Because that is what the black culture does.

Black men commit violent crimes at a rate TEN TIMES greater than whites and hispanics put together.

Where is the outrage when some black thug kills an innocent white person??

'nuff said.

 

[John of Japan]

You know, folks, a newscaster (don't remember who) recently pointed out that no evidence was brought up in the trial that GZ followed TM after the dispatcher told him not to (and he said he wouldn't). I've been watching some of the testimony on Youtube, and I really don't see where there is any evidence whatsoever that GZ followed TM. The talking heads saying he did are not referring to any evidence to that effect, but are simply talking through their hats.

But of course as Luke pointed out, there is no law saying you cannot follow someone. So the whole "following" thing is irrelevant to the court trial and the guilt or innocence of GZ.

And by the way, if GZ did follow TM he was dumb! TM was a tall young man and GZ was short. With neither of them being trained fighters that I can tell, the bigger guy would have "whupped up."

 

[Luke2427]

You know, folks, a newscaster (don't remember who) recently pointed out that no evidence was brought up in the trial that GZ followed TM after the dispatcher told him not to (and he said he wouldn't). I've been watching some of the testimony on Youtube, and I really don't see where there is any evidence whatsoever that GZ followed TM. The talking heads saying he did are not referring to any evidence to that effect, but are simply talking through their hats.

But of course as Luke pointed out, there is no law saying you cannot follow someone. So the whole "following" thing is irrelevant to the court trial and the guilt or innocence of GZ.

And by the way, if GZ did follow TM he was dumb! TM was a tall young man and GZ was short. With neither of them being trained fighters that I can tell, the bigger guy would have "whupped up."

One of the things that race baiters keep saying is that Zimmerman was a grown man and Martin was just a boy. They say because of this Zimmerman should have used his physical strength to break away from Martin.

But the fact is that GZ was a wee little man and Martin was a towering, athletic teenager. In a fist fight, one would expect Martin to win.

 

[righteousdude2]

Plus....

One of the things that race baiters keep saying is that Zimmerman was a grown man and Martin was just a boy. They say because of this Zimmerman should have used his physical strength to break away from Martin.

But the fact is that GZ was a wee little man and Martin was a towering, athletic teenager. In a fist fight, one would expect Martin to win.

....in societies all around this world, young men Trayvon's age and even younger are fighting wars and killing their nation's enemies!

Great point!

I can honestly tell you, that if I were attacked by another person, I would be forced to defend myself like GZ. This is because of my disabilities and age. I would be an easy victim to any teen who came after me.

 

[Luke2427]

....in societies all around this world, young men Trayvon's age and even younger are fighting wars and killing their nation's enemies!

Great point!

I can honestly tell you, that if I were attacked by another person, I would be forced to defend myself like GZ. This is because of my disabilities and age. I would be an easy victim to any teen who came after me.

And you should NEVER be a victim!

The very ESSENCE of Americanism is that we refuse to be victims. We will not be terrorized and tyrannized.

This is why the right to bear arms, in my opinion, is not just a privilege- it is a responsibility.

And since I'm known for controversy, I'll stir a little here.

If more decent, law abiding citizens would arm themselves and defend themselves to death from thugs, thuggery would disappear from the face of the nation.

If we buried about ten times as many thugs this year because decent people killed them when they were attacked by them- thugs would get the message.

Remember a thug is someone who is too sorry to pursue gain through challenging means.

So let's make it way more challenging for them to get gain from decent American citizens.

They'll retreat to easier ways to get gain- because that is the kind of people they are.

 

[John of Japan]

One of the things that race baiters keep saying is that Zimmerman was a grown man and Martin was just a boy. They say because of this Zimmerman should have used his physical strength to break away from Martin.

But the fact is that GZ was a wee little man and Martin was a towering, athletic teenager. In a fist fight, one would expect Martin to win.

News reports have been wildly inaccurate on this. According to police reports, George is 5'9", and a friend puts him at 170 lb. Police reports put Trayvon at 6' and 160 lb, but his family put him at 6'2".