carrierwave~ said:
That's right, just ignore the challenge and everything I have said and repeat the same old rhetoric.:sleep: When it comes to the truth, yes, I am stubborn and being right has it's own personal rewards;:jesus: but there are many who read and will read these threads and have been encouraged and will be encouraged. I've gotten many private messages to that fact. They see who is back-peddling and they know who is standing with the WORD and not the teachings of men. It is they whom I wish to edify, and they are being edified. So I guess I have you to thank for some of it.
I am sorry your cat is about whipped, I still have much more to say and I am not satisfied with just having you ignore the heart of the issue; that is your unbiblical definition of THE VERY SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD--"Repentance"
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Carrierwave~
am sorry your cat is about whipped, I still have much more to say and I am not satisfied with just having you ignore the heart of the issue; that is your unbiblical definition of THE VERY SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD--"Repentance"
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Carrierwave~
People like you there is no peace. I have my backers also and they in no way believe as you. The greater part of Christians believe you must repent and turn from you sins, to be saved. As some have posted on here, they never even knew it was a question that you didn't have to turn from your sins.
I too, am surprised at your unbibical stance of repentance as is many others. I suspect people laugh at you when you say that people do not have to repent and turn from sin. All the churches I know, would show you the door.
If you have something of substance to say, I will respond, but if its the same O, same O, I am wasting my time.
I am glad that I follow the doctrine of ages, instead of some new found veiw by some young person trying to show everyone he has learned something new.
I have refuted everything you posted and have shown you that those before us, agreed with me.
Such as:
John Calvin;.
IN WHAT SENSE IS REPENTANCE THE PRIOR CONDITION OF FORGIVENESS? a Now the hatred of sin, which is the beginning of repentance, first gives us access to the knowledge of Christ,
who reveals himself to none but poor and afflicted sinners, who groan, toil, are heavy-laden, hunger, thirst, and pine away with sorrow and misery b(a) [ Isaiah 61:1-3; Matthew 11:5, 28; Luke 4:18].
Accordingly, we must strive toward repentance itself, devote ourselves to it throughout life, and pursue it to the very end if we would abide in Christ. b For he came to call sinners, but it was to repentance [cf. Matthew 9:13]. He was sent to bless the unworthy, but in order that every one may turn from his wickedness [ Acts 3:26; cf. Acts 5:31]. Scripture is full of such testimonies. For this reason, when God offers forgiveness of sins, he usually requires repentance of us in turn, implying that his mercy ought to be a cause for men to repent. He says, "Do judgment and righteousness, for salvation has come near." [ Isaiah 56:1 p.] Again, "A redeemer will come to Zion, and to those in Jacob who repent of their sins." [ Isaiah 59:20.] Again, "Seek the Lord while he can be found, call upon him while he is near; let the wicked man forsake his way and the unrighteousness of his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him." [ Isaiah 55:6-7 p.] Likewise, "Turn again, and repent, that your sins may be blotted out." [ Acts 3:19.] Yet we must note that this condition is not so laid down as if our repentance were the basis of our deserving pardon, but rather, because the Lord has determined to have pity on men to the end that they may repent, he indicates in what direction men should proceed if they wish to obtain grace. Accordingly, so long as we dwell in the prison house of our body we must continually contend with the defects of our corrupt nature, indeed with our own natural soul. a Plato sometimes says that the life of a philosopher is a meditation upon death; but we may more truly say that the life of a Christian man is a continual effort and exercise in the mortification of the flesh, till it is utterly slain, and God's Spirit reigns in us. Therefore, I think he has profited greatly who has learned to be very much displeased with himself, not so as to stick fast in this mire and progress no farther, but rather to hasten to God and yearn for him in order that, having been engrafted into the life and death of Christ, he may give attention to continual repentance. b Truly, they who are held by a real loathing of sin cannot do otherwise. For no one ever hates sin unless he has previously been seized with a love of righteousness. a This thought, as it was the simplest of all, so has it seemed to me to agree best with the truth of Scripture.(
Spurgeon
This one is from Spurgeon's sermons, Volume II.
Turn Or Burn
I.In the first place, my hearers, let me endeavor to explain to you the nature of the turning here meant.....
Ah! My hearer, it is not thy promise of repentance that can save thee; it is not thy vow, it is not thy solemn declaration, it is not the tear that is dried more easily than the dew-drop by the sun; it is not the transient emotion of the heart, which constitues a real turning to God.
There must be a true and actual abandonment of sin, and a turning unto righteousness in real act and deed in every day life. Do you say you are sorry, and repent, and yet go on from day to day, just as you always went? Will you now boy your heads, and say, "Lord, I Repent," and in a little while commit the same deeds again? If you do, your repentance is worse than nothing, and shall but make your destruction yet more sure; for he that voweth to his Maker, and doth not pay, hath committed another sin, in that he hath attempted to deceive the Almighty, and lie against God that made him.
Repentance, to be true, to be evangelical, must be a repentance which really affects our outward conduct.
In the next place,
repentance must be entire. How many will say, "Sir, I will renounce this sin and the other; but there are certain darling lusts which I must keep and hold." O sirs, in God's name let me tell you, it is not the giving up of one sin, nor fifty sins which is true repentance;
it is the solemn renunciation of every sin. If thou dost harbor one of these accursed vipers in thy heart, they repentance is but a sham. If thou dost indulge in but one lust, and dost give up every other, that one lust, like one leak in a ship, will sink thy soul.
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It's a great sermon, and he goes on to labor some other points about repentance. He says it must be immediate, hearty(from the heart), and perpetual(constant). It's not a work salvation, since he knows that his hearers are incapable of belief just as they are incapable of forsaking sin. In fact, I would argue that Spurgeons purpose in presenting such a hard Gospel is two-fold.
1) That false assurance of salvation would not be given to those who are not born again.
2) That the sinner will see the imposibility of the Gospel, and call out to God.
This is a great sermon, and probably one of the best presentations of the Gospel I have ever seen. He belabors the point of hell in the second portion of his sermon, and in the third, he tells the unbelievers that "Most seriously, I say, I do not believe any man can repent with evangelical repentance, of himself. You ask me then to what purpose is the sermon I have endeavored to preach, proving the necessity of repentance? Allow me to make the sermon of some purpose, under God, by its conclusion. Sinner! Thou art so desperately set on sin, that I have no hope thou wilt ever turn from it thyself. But, Listen! He who died on Calvary is exalted on high, 'To give repentance and remission of sin.' Dost thou this mornng feel that thou are a sinner? If so, ask of Christ to give thee repentance, for he can work repentance in thine heart by his Spirit, though thou canst not work it there thyself. Is thy heart like Iron? He can put it into the furnance of his love and make it melt. Is thy soul like the nether millstone? His grace is able to disolve it, like the ice is melted before the sun. He can make thee repent, thou thou canst not make thyself repent. If thou feelst thy need of repentance, I will not now say to thee 'repent', for I believer there are certain acts that must precede repentance. I should advice you to go to your houses and if you feel that you have sinned, and yet can not sufficiently repent of your transgression, bow your knees......
I will have to paste some on another page
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