"Islam helped shape America for the better"-Obama

[saturneptune]

I hate to break this to you all, but after September 11th, Bush declared Islam a "peaceful religion" after reading a few pages from an American translated Qur'an. It disgusts me what Obama said, but the fact that Bush declared Islam a peaceful religion should be an insult to every family member & the victims. Islam in my book is not a peaceful religion if they declare a "Jihad" on us "infidels". All they are good for is strapping a bomb to their chest & blowing things up.

Very good post. There is not a dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans. How many times does it have to be said? Those of you who in thread after thread argue endlessly about the virtures of either side have a very flawed view of the US Constitution and American history.

 

[Revmitchell]

Not a dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans. How many times does it have to be said? Those of you who in thread after thread argue endlessly about the virtures of either side have a very flawed view of the US Constitution and American history.

So how did BigB do that? I didn't see it.

 

[saturneptune]

So how did BigB do that? I didn't see it.

He didn't. Maybe I worded my response wrong, but I agree with what he said. I was referring to the endless posts trying to create a difference between Republicans and Democrats when there is none, or not much of one. That position in no way defends Obama on any aspect of his philosophy. Neither does it defend the way George Bush did his job. After all, had he done his job the way he was elected to do, this clown would not be in office now.

 

[Revmitchell]

He didn't. Maybe I worded my response wrong, but I agree with what he said.

Gotchya:thumbs:

I was referring to the endless posts trying to create a difference between Republicans and Democrats when there is none, or not much of one.

I missed those. While comparing the past Republican party to the Dems this is true. Of late there seems to be a much stronger difference. I am not speaking to the motivation behind the recent changes. At the same time there has always been small differences.

That position in no way defends Obama on any aspect of his philosophy.

I didn't think it did.

Neither does it defend the way George Bush did his job. After all, had he done his job the way he was elected to do, this clown would not be in office now.

Most likely not.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

soooo....? what? Does it matter who started a thread when it comes to staying on topic?

Yup. I haven't ever seen you stick up for one of my hijacked threads. And you don't hold any authority here.

Really? All I see is obama and islam as the topic.
Lets see what the op says...


yep, I was right

I don't agree. I think the comparisons to Bush's words are right on topic. Bush has stated Islam is a peaceful religion. Several times. Like it or not.

 

[JustChristian]

Yup. Bush was always a politician first, and a Christian second.

He never was a Christian.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You don't know that, and now yer just throwing drunk punches at everyone. Go take a nap.

 

[LeBuick]

Islam reshaped New York, when they blew up and collapsed two buildings.

boy, obama's all about praise for islam isn't he. hope his worshippers take off their blinders and see him for who he is.

I think it is you who has the blinders on, you can see the contributions American Muslims make in our country. We have American Muslims doing great things at every level of our society and the fact that you say we have the blinders mean you are totally blind to this fact.

 

[LeBuick]

I don't agree. I think the comparisons to Bush's words are right on topic. Bush has stated Islam is a peaceful religion. Several times. Like it or not.

You are correct Bro Curtis, Obama isn't the first to express these sentiments. Also, we've tried killing the Muslims for the last 8 years and you see where we got with that. Why not make friends of the peaceful Muslims and hope they will run the non-peaceful terrorist our of town.

 

[JustChristian]

More inane babble. A good number of people have spoken out against Bush. But this is what happens when you have no argument but desperately want one.

You can't seem to be able to handle the truth.

 

[JustChristian]

Apples and oranges. Bush mention muslim citizens...Obama mention the religion of Islam. Please get your facts straight.

How about Bush claiming that Christians and Muslims worship the same god and Muslims will get to heaven by a different route than through faith in Christ? Somehow I haven't heard Obama make this "statement of faith."

 

[Revmitchell]

Somehow I haven't heard Obama make this "statement of faith."

Oh well let me help you out:

"I am a Christian," the 42-year-old Illinois state senator and Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate says, as one of the nearby customers interrupts to congratulate him on his recent primary win. Obama shakes the man's hand and says, "Thank you very much. I appreciate that," before turning his attention directly back to the question.

"So, I have a deep faith," Obama continues. "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

 

[Revmitchell]

You can't seem to be able to handle the truth.

Brother let me know if you need some prayer. You seem to be struggling terribly.

 

[OldRegular]

Apples and oranges. Bush mention muslim citizens...Obama mention the religion of Islam. Please get your facts straight.

There is a world of difference between muslim citizens and the religion of Islam.

 

[OldRegular]

He never was a Christian.

JC



Bush did a number of things I did not agree with:

1. Allowing the Republican Congress to spend like drunken democrats.

2. Expanding medicare to include prescription drugs.

3. Attempting to grant amnesty to all the illegals in the country.

4. Allowing Paulson a free rein in the bailout.

However he did keep the country safe from Islam after 9/11.

We still know nothing about O'bama rex except he is expanding the role of dictatorial government in business by bribery and coercion. He is currently overseas dissing the United States at every opportunity. His address to the Turks was disgusting and may indicate his true relationship with Islam.

 

[LeBuick]

There is a world of difference between muslim citizens and the religion of Islam.

Isn't it like saying Christians in American or American Christians?

Islam is the religion of Muslims. How do you separate the Muslim from their religion?

 

[Marcia]

This is a continuation of George Bush's policy. I wonder why I didn't hear an outcry back then.

Bush greets Muslims on Ramadan

…“I thank the men and women of the Muslim community for their contributions to America. Your love of family and gratitude to God have strengthened the moral fabric of our country. Our nation is stronger and more hopeful because of the generosity, talents, and compassion of our Muslim citizens.” “Laura and I send our best wishes. Ramazan Mubarak,” he said. >>>>>

I disagree with this but it's different from saying that the Islam faith has shaped our country. It has not. There is no evidence that it has shaped it in a good way, which is what Obama is saying.

 

[Marcia]

How about Bush claiming that Christians and Muslims worship the same god and Muslims will get to heaven by a different route than through faith in Christ? Somehow I haven't heard Obama make this "statement of faith."

I know Bush said Muslims worship the same God but never read him saying they will get to heaven by a different route than through Christ. Can you give the source for this?

 

[Marcia]

Islam had an advanced civilization when half of Europeans were living huts. During the Crusades returning Crusaders brought much eastern learning back with them. This is what started the Rennasance sp?)

Islam pushed north of Spain and were not finally kicked out until King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella joined forces in the late 1400's. The resulting peace allowed Isabella to funds Columbus's voyages.

Europe had lost all copies of the great Greek and Roman texts and got them from Islam.

I think it was the Arabs and their learning that did these things. It was not because of Islam which is not oriented toward preserving anything that contradicts their faith. Islam is very closed to ideas contradictory to Mohammed and teachings about him.

 

[matt wade]

people who practice the Islamic faith have made great contributions to our Nation and the world

Americans who practice the Islamic faith enrich our society and help our Nation build a better future.

I don’t talk about a particular faith. I believe the Lord can work through many faiths, whether it be the Christian faith, the Jewish faith, Muslim faith, Hindu faith. When I speak of faith, I speak of all faiths, because there is a universal call, and that main universal call is to love your neighbor. It extends throughout all faith.

"Do Christians and non-Christians and Muslims go to heaven in your mind?" His reply: "Yes, they do. We have different routes of getting there. But I will, I, I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don’t get to decide who goes to heaven. The almighty God decides who goes to heaven. And I am on my personal walk."

Quotes Courtesy of G.W. Bush.