"Islam helped shape America for the better"-Obama

[LeBuick]

He specifically denied that we are a Christian nation. He downplayed our rich Judeo-Christian history in order to embrace islamists (Turkey).

Can you show me the quote where he "specifically" denied religion in America?

How can we support the superiority of one or two religions in a constitution that says, "all men are created equal"?. Are we to read that as except for religion?

And as for the list, I showed you one Muslim who is of the highest honor this nation has. How can one be greater than one who gave his life? I repeat, the fact that you still demand a list shows how you refuse the value of the Muslim contribution. It is not that it isn't there, you just won't acknowledge it which amounts to a limitation or bias on your part.

Also, I recall the numbers here who thought calling Obama a Muslim was reason people wouldn't vote for him. Why would I subject our Muslim American's to obvious biased scrutiny. I showed you a Muslim who is indisputably great to his nation and there are many others who paid that same price for your freedom. A freedom you feel doesn't belong to non-Christian American's.

And if anyone is arrogant on this subject, it is Obama. He disgusts me.

When I heard the outrage of some of the right wing news casters saying, "how can Obama say such a thing. American is the greatest nation on earth". When they and you don't understand, they are proving his point in that statement and in their rage.

I understand you refuse to see how arrogant America is, that doesn't make the statement or fact any less true. Self denial is natural.

 

[LeBuick]

How about a short list, you know 20-30 great things they have done for this country?

I showed one who did the greatest and whose contribution can't be topped. Why would I need to show more. By the way, if you think I can't show 20 or 30 Muslim American's who died fighting for this nation, you are mistaken. I just don't see the point of having their contribution disrespected by people who enjoy the freedom they died to defend but won't acknowledge their contribution as great because of their religion.

 

[OldRegular]

How can we support the superiority of one or two religions in a constitution that says, "all men are created equal"?. Are we to read that as except for religion?

You are incorrect. That statement comes from the Declaration of Independence. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with a particular religion. O'bama rex obviously does not hold to that statement since he is a rabid supporter of the slaughter of the unborn and just born. He is apparently going to revoke the Conscience Executive Order that grants medical workers the right to refuse to participate in such slaughter.

 

[OldRegular]

I showed one who did the greatest and whose contribution can't be topped. Why would I need to show more. By the way, if you think I can't show 20 or 30 Muslim American's who died fighting for this nation, you are mistaken. I just don't see the point of having their contribution disrespected by people who enjoy the freedom they died to defend but won't acknowledge their contribution as great because of their religion.

I admire any man who would volunteer for military service and give his life for this country, Christian, Jew, Muslim, or atheist. It is a fact though that some muslims in the military were there for other purposes.

Furthermore, the statement by O'bama rex was: ""Islam helped shape America for the better". That is past tense. So show me how Islam helped shape America for the better.

 

[LadyEagle]

And as for the list, I showed you one Muslim who is of the highest honor this nation has. How can one be greater than one who gave his life? I repeat, the fact that you still demand a list shows how you refuse the value of the Muslim contribution. It is not that it isn't there, you just won't acknowledge it which amounts to a limitation or bias on your part.

It isn't there. Most of us here know it. In debates, when one makes outlandish statements that go against historical fact, it is up to those who make the outlandish statements to provide some documentation that their view is the correct one. Obviously, you can't. Thus, no list. But the rest of this know this.

So just admit you misspoke and let's go on..... :smilewinkgrin:

 

[targus]

LeBuick, you created this post which you attributed to me.

Originally Posted by targus
And if anyone is arrogant on this subject, it is Obama. He disgusts me.

Now you can either admit that you made this up or direct me to that "quote".

If I am in error and previously posted those words - I will happily apologize to you for my mistake.

 

[Revmitchell]

I showed one who did the greatest and whose contribution can't be topped. Why would I need to show more. By the way, if you think I can't show 20 or 30 Muslim American's who died fighting for this nation, you are mistaken. I just don't see the point of having their contribution disrespected by people who enjoy the freedom they died to defend but won't acknowledge their contribution as great because of their religion.

Translation: I have no list so I need to redirect to cover my self.

 

[LeBuick]

You are incorrect. That statement comes from the Declaration of Independence. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with a particular religion. O'bama rex obviously does not hold to that statement since he is a rabid supporter of the slaughter of the unborn and just born. He is apparently going to revoke the Conscience Executive Order that grants medical workers the right to refuse to participate in such slaughter.

You guys know every thread doesn't have to change to abortion does it? It isn't fair when we are not allowed to defend our position.

Oh, and you are right about the declaration of independence. My fingers were typing out of emotion... I stand corrected...

 

[LeBuick]

It is a fact though that some muslims in the military were there for other purposes.

Interesting statement, is this a fact or do you have proof some joined for other reasons? I recall a while back we had a few return to sleeper cells but they are the exception and not the rule. We also have gang members and skin heads who get trained for personal benefit also. So people joining other than patriotic reasons is not limited to Muslims. That's a general statement that applies to every religion or nationality.

Furthermore, the statement by O'bama rex was: ""Islam helped shape America for the better". That is past tense. So show me how Islam helped shape America for the better.

Everyone in this nation who are not like us shape us for the better. It teaches us not to judge the outward man but to seek to know who is in the skin.

I invite you to read this article by Christian Science. It was published just after 9/11. I think it gives a good foundation to understanding who Muslim American's are and what role they have played in our society.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0110/p15s1-lire.html

Here is a link to some of the contributions Muslims made to society as a whole. It was interesting to note how many people who know in history that were actually Muslims.

http://www.khwarzimic.org/contribution-muslim/facts.html

There is an award given to Muslim American's for their outstanding contributions but I can't find the link. I believe it id done by Stanford university but I can't remember for sure. I would like for you to see the list of names and contributions made especially in the medical community.

 

[LeBuick]

It isn't there. Most of us here know it. In debates, when one makes outlandish statements that go against historical fact, it is up to those who make the outlandish statements to provide some documentation that their view is the correct one. Obviously, you can't. Thus, no list. But the rest of this know this.

So just admit you misspoke and let's go on..... :smilewinkgrin:

You can't really believe no Muslim American has made a contribution which made America better. You can't be serious...

 

[LeBuick]

LeBuick, you created this post which you attributed to me.



Now you can either admit that you made this up or direct me to that "quote".

If I am in error and previously posted those words - I will happily apologize to you for my mistake.

To you I owe an apology, that statement was made by LE. I apologize but I must have had Targus on my mind when I labeled that quote.

Please accept my apology for my error...

 

[targus]

To you I owe an apology, that statement was made by LE. I apologize but I must have had Targus on my mind when I labeled that quote.

Please accept my apology for my error...

Okey doke

No problem.

 

[LadyEagle]

Here is a link to some of the contributions Muslims made to society as a whole. It was interesting to note how many people who know in history that were actually Muslims.

http://www.khwarzimic.org/contribution-muslim/facts.html

Well, now I am falling off my chair. The link is to a Pakistani site. Your statement was about American muslims, how they have contributed to our society.

Right off the bat, I had to laugh at the propaganda and outright fabrications on that web site from Pakistan:

Muslims became the pioneers of pyrotechnic warfare

Nevermind the Chinese used pyrotechnic warfare centuries before islam was ever founded, lol. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are surely desperate to find some proof for your assertion that, per your quote:

you can see the contributions American Muslims make in our country. We have American Muslims doing great things at every level of our society.

Please, LB, suck it up and admit you are wrong.

PS: One should not have to go to an islamic propaganda site to find historical evidence of contributions islamists have made to the world. Or to America. The documentation should be EVERYWHERE. It isn't.

1Muslims became the pioneers of pyrotechnic warfarebMuslims became the pioneers of pyrotechnic warfareecame the pioneers of pyrotechnic warfare

 

[LadyEagle]

Interesting statement, is this a fact or do you have proof some joined for other reasons? I recall a while back we had a few return to sleeper cells but they are the exception and not the rule.

Dude threw grenades into a tent of fellow troops and killed and injured them.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641084723

Muslim in US Navy discussed sniper attacks on military personnel
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017506.php

Two examples. There are more.

 

[LeBuick]

Dude threw grenades into a tent of fellow troops and killed and injured them.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641084723

It's called fraging and was very popular in Vietnam. soldiers of all religions and nationalities have killed leaders they didn't like or respect. That is one of the unspoken parts of war.

Muslim in US Navy discussed sniper attacks on military personnel
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017506.php

Two examples. There are more.

From a site called Jihad Watch... Now I wonder if a Muslim can get honest representation on that site???

 

[JustChristian]

More inane babble. A good number of people have spoken out against Bush. But this is what happens when you have no argument but desperately want one.

Deleted post.

 

[JustChristian]

JC



Bush did a number of things I did not agree with:

1. Allowing the Republican Congress to spend like drunken democrats.

2. Expanding medicare to include prescription drugs.

3. Attempting to grant amnesty to all the illegals in the country.

4. Allowing Paulson a free rein in the bailout.

However he did keep the country safe from Islam after 9/11.

We still know nothing about O'bama rex except he is expanding the role of dictatorial government in business by bribery and coercion. He is currently overseas dissing the United States at every opportunity. His address to the Turks was disgusting and may indicate his true relationship with Islam.

We aren't fighting Islam. We're fighting terrorists.

 

[JustChristian]

Also, I wonder if the same people who supported Bush's Patriot Act are going to be the first to complain about Obama's intrusion into our private lives, via thermostat control, etc.....

And I wonder if some of the folks who complained about the Patriot Act are OK with thermostat control.

I know it's an O/T paranoid conspiracy rant, but I'm just wondering.

Taking away our fundamental right of Habeas Corpus and allowing the CIA to burst into our homes is an order o0pf magnitude worse than "controlling our thermostats." Big difference.

 

[targus]

Taking away our fundamental right of Habeas Corpus and allowing the CIA to burst into our homes is an order o0pf magnitude worse than "controlling our thermostats." Big difference.

How about wiretapping?

Obama is showing Bush to be a piker in that area.

Check out what Johnathan Turley has to say about Obama on Keith Olbermann's show.

http://www.politicaltruthusa.com/2009/04/johnathan-turley-on-obama-wiretapping.html

 

[LadyEagle]

This thread has zig-zagged in every direction. Since we are well onto page 10, it is closing time per forum rules.

LE