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I believe that Judith was talking about defense. Not vengeance.

 

Anything less than what Israel is doing is no defense. In fact they are showing much restraint. The point of a good defense is to end the agression.

 

That is right. Where is the like button? :thumbs:

 

OK. That doesn't change the fact that Israel is wrong for bombing civilians. I am not trying to defend Hamas nor have I ever called them a victim. Stop trying to put word in my mouth.

Are you actually wanting an answer or are you just ranting? It looks like an emotional rant to me. Let's start a new thread if you want to talk, since that would be well beyond the bounds of this thread's OP. OK?

False.

Fact is Jesus and the apostles tell us exactly how to deal with these evil people. And the solution isn't to kill them.

Yes. I would say that the nuclear attacks on civilians, which was the culmination of our response was certainly immoral. So was the firebombing that actually killed more civilians.

Again, anyone who disagrees is "liberal." Do you even know what the term means? It seems you think it only means "someone I think is wrong."

Do you really believe that this is an appropriate response to the rocket attacks?

I really don't know exactly. I hate war and violence. But again, the state is given the sword. I just don't see this massive bombing campaign as being justified.

 

That is not right. That is ungodly. Vengeance is God's alone.

 

Do you feel that Palestinian parents should respond the same way as you say you world?

 

Nuke them, eh ? Do you really think today's generations of Israel still have Jehovah's blessings their ancestors had in the OT? THAT Israel is gone. Genocide from either side is unacceptable.

 

Hagee-ism, I guess, Gina.

 

I have never met liberal that could argue their case without twisting what the other says and you are no different. I never mentioned revenge. I was clearly stating what I would do if under aggression.
In the case of Israel and war there are always civilians causalities. I am not suggesting that they should be targeted, but neither am I suggesting that the enemy be spared because the civilians might be caught up in the shooting. The area where Hamas is has very few if any that are not supporting Hamas so I say they are not civilians, but even if they are you have to stop those who attack you ansd Hamas has made it clear they intend on annialiation.
Let me ask you a question. In the OT God told Israel to kill every human being including children in a particular war. Was God wrong and would you obey or speak against Him if you were alive during that time?

 

Yet you will not give us an appropriate response. All you will say is we forgot Jesus' words.

I stand by it, you better believe that.

It means my feelings about this do not come from Revelation. They come from a sovereign nation within it's rights.

Yelling about something and offering no solution is more like whining.

Like I said, they don't play around.

It was in a quote with our conversation. I thought it was to me. No big deal.

See above.

 

God is the same today yesterday and tomorrow. Whether they are nuked, shot or just bombed with conventual bombs the result it the same. The nuke is just quicker and yes I still believe that the Jews are under his protection and blessing. Not saved, but yes under His blessing and protection.

 

The Palestinians are the aggressors and if they had nukes you can bet they would wipe out Israel. They are using everything they have. Israel needs to wake up and put an end to being attacked by those people.

Let me ask you the same question I asked another. If you live during the OT times and God told you to wipe out a nation including the children and animals like He did with Israel would you obey?

 

The Israelis or more accurately, the Khazars are reaping the vengeance of the Lord, for what they did to my Messiah.

 

Khazars, no, Jews yes but they will be restored to the Lord. That does not mean they are not to fight off their enemies using any means necessary. I would also remind you that it was gentiles that ordered His death and carried it out.

 

The Khazars were north of Israel.

 

Israel tells them what they are going to bomb prior to them bombing it......the targets are essentually Hamas terrorists homes. Why anyone would choose to be around a targeted bomb target is beyond me.....unless they want to commit suicide

 

Israel tells them what they are going to bomb prior to them bombing it......the targets are essentually Hamas terrorists homes. Why anyone would choose to be around a targeted bomb target is beyond me.....unless they want to commit suicide

 

What is it with calling people "liberal?" I really don't understand. Especially since I'm probably among the most theologically conservative people on this board, far from liberal at the very least, same with politics. I guess by liberal you just meant "Someone I disagree with." Regardless, I twisted nothing. Lobbing nuclear weapons at someone who hit you with rockets certainly is vengeance. I would also argue that self-defense can be understood as a form of vengeance as well. Also, you never answered my questions.

So they shouldn't target civilians... unless they get in the way, then eh no big deal? Am I reading that correctly? What evidence do you have that there are "very few" in that area that are not supporting Hamas? And certain people in Israel have made it plain that they intend on the total annihilation of Palestinians. Tell me you at least think that is wrong!?

That is not applicable here. This Israel is not that Israel. That Covenant is no longer in existence. War was permitted and even required a couple times under the Old Covenant, we are under the New and do not have that option.

 

And I think we have. Collectively the American church is far too blood thirsty and ignores the clear instruction of scripture to seek and promote peace. Do you disagree?

OK. It's still wrong. Being a peacemaker is not killing all your enemies. The same Jesus also said "love you enemies" and "do good to those who hate you."

OK. I still don't get it. No one, especially me, brought that up. I never accused you of it or anything. You were the first and only person I've seen bring up prophecy.

No worries, all is forgiven.