Israel's Situation

[Baptist Believer]

Many Jews in Jesus day were also not of the Father God, they were born according to the flesh, not according to the Spirit, and so then did not believe in Christ.

That's no different than today. I am fortunate to have a few friends who are Jewish who ended up coming to faith in Jesus. To do so, they faced rejection from their families for several years until their families realized that faith in Jesus was not a rejection of them or even their faith.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, I agree.


The God (Allah) described in the Quran is not described rightly. I think we are now essentially saying the same thing. The Quran is based off of Judaism and the influence of Christianity, but it is a major aberration from good doctrine. There is a true sense that Islam's God is referring to the God of Abraham, but it is not a trustworthy guide to knowing that God.


Just a note, non-Christian Jews do not have a "New Testament," so they don't have an "Old Testament" (aka OT).

satan is the one that spoke to Muhammed in the cave, same way he spoke to Adam amd Eve, and Joseph Smith!

 

[Baptist Believer]

satan is the one that spoke to Muhammed in the cave...

How do you know this? Mohammad could have imagined the whole thing or just made it up. There's nothing in the Quran that is of extra-human origin.

...same way he spoke to Adam amd Eve...

As far as Genesis is concerned, the serpent only spoke to Eve. The idea that the servant spoke to Adam is your embellishment. Adam heeded the voice of his wife (Genesis 3:17).

...and Joseph Smith!

Joseph Smith, Jr. could never get his story straight. If he truly had a vision, he couldn't keep it straight.

 

[Konstantin]

Israel today relies on its army and the "iron dome", not on God. The Third Temple (Ezek.40) will be built before the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel (Dan.9). At this time, Israel will have neither army, no "iron dome", "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11).

 

[Revmitchell]

Israel today relies on its army and the "iron dome", not on God. The Third Temple (Ezek.40) will be built before the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel (Dan.9). At this time, Israel will have neither army, no "iron dome", "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11).

map who says they dont rely on God?

 

[Konstantin]

Israel today relies on its army and the "iron dome", not on God. The Third Temple (Ezek.40) will be built before the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel (Dan.9). At this time, Israel will have neither army, no "iron dome", "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11).

map who says they dont rely on God?

They are publicly burning NT books. One of the cities of Israel is the unofficial capital of sodomites around the world. God will punish this people for such wickedness. Jerusalem will be destroyed, and Israel will face another scattering.

 

[xlsdraw]

The Islamic hordes are rallying now around the world in their genocidal hate and jealousy of Israel.

Today is Nakba Day and bombs are reigning down on Israel as I type.

Jerusalem is rightly the catalyst. The Islamic cult's possession of the Temple Mount will soon end when they come forth to invade Israel. God will crush them.

 

[xlsdraw]

They are publicly burning NT books. One of the cities of Israel is the unofficial capital of sodomites around the world. God will punish this people for such wickedness. Jerusalem will be destroyed, and Israel will face another scattering.

Your hate is showing.

 

[Konstantin]

Israel today relies on its army and the "iron dome", not on God. The Third Temple (Ezek.40) will be built before the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel (Dan.9). At this time, Israel will have neither army, no "iron dome", "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11).

map who says they dont rely on God?

They are publicly burning NT books. One of the cities of Israel is the unofficial capital of sodomites around the world. God will punish this people for such wickedness. Jerusalem will be destroyed, and Israel will face another scattering.

Your hate is showing.

No. It is your ignorance that manifests itself. You don't know what the Scripture says about it.

 

[Revmitchell]

They are publicly burning NT books. One of the cities of Israel is the unofficial capital of sodomites around the world. God will punish this people for such wickedness. Jerusalem will be destroyed, and Israel will face another scattering.

which cannot be blamed for all of Israel anymore than it can be blamed for all of America. Me thinks you have another agenda not mentioned here.

 

[xlsdraw]

which cannot be blamed for all of Israel anymore than it can be blamed for all of America. Me thinks you have another agenda not mentioned here.

Yes he does. A hate based agenda.

No. It is your ignorance that manifests itself. You don't know what the Scripture says about it.

I do know the scriptures. It is your hatred that shapes your view.

Paul was willing to sacrifice his own soul for the sake of his brethren the Jews.

You are nothing like Paul.

 

[Covenanter]

is Allah God, as He denies that Jesus was his Son, denies that he was crucifed and resurrected!

So the teaching of Islam agrees with Jewish teaching! Both are fighting the living God revealed in Jesus.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Jews and Moslems have this in common.



They both need the Lord Jesus Christ. More than they need bombs or rockets or iron domes or land or anything else.

 

[Covenanter]

Israel today relies on its army and the "iron dome", not on God. The Third Temple (Ezek.40) will be built before the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel (Dan.9). At this time, Israel will have neither army, no "iron dome", "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11).

The Islamic hordes are rallying now around the world in their genocidal hate and jealousy of Israel.

Today is Nakba Day and bombs are reigning down on Israel as I type.

Jerusalem is rightly the catalyst. The Islamic cult's possession of the Temple Mount will soon end when they come forth to invade Israel. God will crush them.

We need to clarify our understanding of Israel in prophecy, in particular, does prophecy concerning Abraham & his descendants continue after the coming & saving work of his Seed, the LORD Jesus Christ who secured the promises to Abraham?

Is the NATION of Israel a continuing prophetic entity after Jesus had completed the work given him, fulfilled all prophecy, redeemed Israel and commissioned the Gospel for all nations, or are the PEOPLE Israel the community of the redeemed?

Is the present nation of Israel there, claiming the promised land the earthly people of God, fulfilling prophecy? And should Christians support the nation of Israel.

 

[xlsdraw]

We need to clarify our understanding of Israel in prophecy, in particular, does prophecy concerning Abraham & his descendants continue after the coming & saving work of his Seed, the LORD Jesus Christ who secured the promises to Abraham?

Is the NATION of Israel a continuing prophetic entity after Jesus had completed the work given him, fulfilled all prophecy, redeemed Israel and commissioned the Gospel for all nations, or are the PEOPLE Israel the community of the redeemed?

Is the present nation of Israel there, claiming the promised land the earthly people of God, fulfilling prophecy? And should Christians support the nation of Israel.

There would be no point of Ezekiel chapters 36 through 48, nor Romans chapter 11, if the Lord didn't intend to redeem His People Israel.

Israel had to return to their land for Ezekiel's chapters 38 and 39 to occur.

 

[AustinC]

We need to clarify our understanding of Israel in prophecy, in particular, does prophecy concerning Abraham & his descendants continue after the coming & saving work of his Seed, the LORD Jesus Christ who secured the promises to Abraham?

Is the NATION of Israel a continuing prophetic entity after Jesus had completed the work given him, fulfilled all prophecy, redeemed Israel and commissioned the Gospel for all nations, or are the PEOPLE Israel the community of the redeemed?

Is the present nation of Israel there, claiming the promised land the earthly people of God, fulfilling prophecy? And should Christians support the nation of Israel.

The nation occupying the promised land is not the Israel of the promise. The promise is for Abraham's seed who live in faith as well as the gentiles who have been grafted into that same faith. This is also called the Church, the Body of Christ.

At present, unredeemed Jews are fighting with unredeemed Palestinians, but redeemed Palestinians are also suffering greatly under the oppression. As believers, we support the redeemed, children of the promise, from every nation tribe and tongue. What is happening in Israel today is a tragedy as two godless groups fight for land that God has reserved for His redeemed people. Meanwhile the redeemed suffer under both godless groups.

 

[Konstantin]

which cannot be blamed for all of Israel anymore than it can be blamed for all of America. Me thinks you have another agenda not mentioned here.

Scripture says that Israel's rebirth as a nation began in 1948. God determined 70 weeks for Israel (Dan.9:24). And the last 70th week is still in the future.

 

[AustinC]

Scripture says that Israel's rebirth as a nation began in 1948. God determined 70 weeks for Israel (Dan.9:24). And the last 70th week is still in the future.

Please provide the scripture that says Israel's rebirth as a nation was to begin in 1948. It seems you are projecting the Bible onto the present and then you are finding prooftexts to fit your projection.

 

[Konstantin]

There would be no point of Ezekiel chapters 36 through 48, nor Romans chapter 11, if the Lord didn't intend to redeem His People Israel.

Israel had to return to their land for Ezekiel's chapters 38 and 39 to occur.

Yes, that's right. But, you perceive the Scripture as "the word of men" (1Thess.2:13), and I perceive it as "a more sure word of prophecie" (2Pet.1:19), i.e. "(as it is in trueth) the word of God" (1Thess.2:13). Therefore, I see a more complete picture of events and their exact chronology.

 

[xlsdraw]

Yes, that's right. But, you perceive the Scripture as "the word of men" (1Thess.2:13), and I perceive it as "a more sure word of prophecie" (2Pet.1:19), i.e. "(as it is in trueth) the word of God" (1Thess.2:13). Therefore, I see a more complete picture of events and their exact chronology.

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