Israel's Situation

[Konstantin]

A rebuilt temple with animal sacrifices for sin would be a blasphemous denial of Jesus' perfect sacrifice. .

The Apostles and thousands of Jewish believers were attending the Temple and kept the Law of Moses. Are the Apostles blasphemers?

"Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Iewes there are which beleeue, and they are all zealous of the Law.

21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Iewes which are among the Gentiles, to forsake Moses, saying, that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walke after the customes.

22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will heare that thou art come.

23Doe therefore this that we say to thee: Wee haue foure men which haue a vow on them,

24Then take, and purifie thy selfe with them, & bee at charges with them, that they may shaue their heads: and all may know that those things wherof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing, but that thou thy selfe also walkest orderly, and keepest the Law." (Acts.21:20-24)

 

[AustinC]

The Apostles and thousands of Jewish believers were attending the Temple and observed the Law of Moses. Are the Apostles blasphemers?

"Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Iewes there are which beleeue, and they are all zealous of the Law.

21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Iewes which are among the Gentiles, to forsake Moses, saying, that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walke after the customes.

22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will heare that thou art come.

23Doe therefore this that we say to thee: Wee haue foure men which haue a vow on them,

24Then take, and purifie thy selfe with them, & bee at charges with them, that they may shaue their heads: and all may know that those things wherof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing, but that thou thy selfe also walkest orderly, and keepest the Law." (Acts.21:20-24)

Even here you misunderstand what Paul was doing upon returning to Jerusalem to bring financial support to the local church.

Your assertion here is no different than the Judaizers whom Paul condemned in his letter to the Galatians who claimed that while you were initially saved by grace, you must then follow the law to keep your salvation. Paul called that teaching anathema.

There is no need for animal sacrifice for sin when Christ Jesus died once and for all for our sin. May Jesus Christ be praised.

 

[Konstantin]

There is no need for animal sacrifice for sin when Christ Jesus died once and for all for our sin. May Jesus Christ be praised.

The Apostles and thousands of Jewish believers were attending the Temple and kept the Law of Moses. Are the Apostles blasphemers?

"Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Iewes there are which beleeue, and they are all zealous of the Law.

21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Iewes which are among the Gentiles, to forsake Moses, saying, that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walke after the customes.

22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will heare that thou art come.

23Doe therefore this that we say to thee: Wee haue foure men which haue a vow on them,

24Then take, and purifie thy selfe with them, & bee at charges with them, that they may shaue their heads: and all may know that those things wherof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing, but that thou thy selfe also walkest orderly, and keepest the Law." (Acts.21:20-24)

 

[AustinC]

The Apostles and thousands of Jewish believers were attending the Temple and kept the Law of Moses. Are the Apostles blasphemers?

"Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Iewes there are which beleeue, and they are all zealous of the Law.

21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Iewes which are among the Gentiles, to forsake Moses, saying, that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walke after the customes.

22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will heare that thou art come.

23Doe therefore this that we say to thee: Wee haue foure men which haue a vow on them,

24Then take, and purifie thy selfe with them, & bee at charges with them, that they may shaue their heads: and all may know that those things wherof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing, but that thou thy selfe also walkest orderly, and keepest the Law." (Acts.21:20-24)

The early Jewish believers in Judea were trying to ride the fence. In 70CE, God stopped that fence riding completely.
Notice also that the plans of these humans were thwarted by God. God had told Paul that if he went to Jerusalem Paul would be thrown in jail. Even though the church members concocted a scheme to keep Paul out of trouble...it didn't work. Paul was captured and thrown in jail (and praise God he was thrown in jail as many letters were written in jail that we read today).

Konstantin, you have failed to prove your assertion via scripture.

Acts 21:17-36
When we had come to Jerusalem, the brothers received us gladly. On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. After greeting them, he related one by one the things that God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs. What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law. But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.” Then Paul took the men, and the next day he purified himself along with them and went into the temple, giving notice when the days of purification would be fulfilled and the offering presented for each one of them. When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place. Moreover, he even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple. Then all the city was stirred up, and the people ran together. They seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates were shut. And as they were seeking to kill him, word came to the tribune of the cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion. He at once took soldiers and centurions and ran down to them. And when they saw the tribune and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul. Then the tribune came up and arrested him and ordered him to be bound with two chains. He inquired who he was and what he had done. Some in the crowd were shouting one thing, some another. And as he could not learn the facts because of the uproar, he ordered him to be brought into the barracks. And when he came to the steps, he was actually carried by the soldiers because of the violence of the crowd, for the mob of the people followed, crying out, “Away with him!”

 

[Konstantin]

Konstantin, you have failed to prove your assertion via scripture.

What of?

 

[AustinC]

What of?

#46
"The Scripture points to 1948, but I don't think you believe the Scripture."

 

[Covenanter]

The Apostles and thousands of Jewish believers were attending the Temple and kept the Law of Moses. Are the Apostles blasphemers?

"Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Iewes there are which beleeue, and they are all zealous of the Law.

21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Iewes which are among the Gentiles, to forsake Moses, saying, that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walke after the customes.

22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will heare that thou art come.

23Doe therefore this that we say to thee: Wee haue foure men which haue a vow on them,

24Then take, and purifie thy selfe with them, & bee at charges with them, that they may shaue their heads: and all may know that those things wherof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing, but that thou thy selfe also walkest orderly, and keepest the Law." (Acts.21:20-24)

The Apostles were in an intermediate situation - as Paul explains -

1 Cor. 9:19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.​

They were seeking to win the unsaved Jews to Christ, complying with the Law in love for the unsaved, not to be saved. The temple where they worshipped was the temple Jesus and Isaiah spoke of as "a house of prayer for all nations" which he also prophesied would be totally demolished.

 

[Konstantin]

The third Temple (Ezek.) differs in size from the previous two. Despite the opposition of the sectarians to the word of God, it will be built by 2062. At this time, Israel will have neither army, no "iron dome", "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11).

 

[xlsdraw]

Go read the rhetoric from the representatives of the 57 Islamic countries in the OIC from their meeting Sunday. The rhetoric inside the meeting and after the meeting.

They know that the USA will continue to be the sole blocker in the UN Security Council of UN forces being sent into the Israeli/Palestinian/Temple Mount/Jerusalem conflict. Therefore, they will formulate their own coalition of nations to invade Israel.

In the Islamists minds, they are convinced that they must do this to defend Islam.

The media is being used worldwide as a tool to demonize Israel.

The oil cyber attack last week was a trial run by Israel's enemies to ensure that they can draw America's focus inward at will.

Israel is continuing to hammer Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza which increases the pressure on the Islamists to act upon their rhetoric.

Israel gave a 1 hour warning to the building that the world's media was using in Gaza, giving them just enough time to evacuate before Israel destroyed the building. Israel claimed that Hamas had assets in the building.

Israel just minutes ago gave a warning to the UN that they are going to destroy 2 UN sponsored schools in Gaza that Hamas utilizes. Their destruction is immenent.

The attacks on the building that the Media was using and the attacks on these 2 schools are and will be twisted by the World's Media to demonize Israel.

Ezekiel chapters 36 through 39 are coming quickly.

 

[AustinC]

The third Temple (Ezek.) differs in size from the previous two. Despite the opposition of the sectarians to the word of God, it will be built by 2062. At this time, Israel will have neither army, no "iron dome", "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11).

Sigh...you are not a prophet, nor do you have any actual scripture to support your assertion. Therefore, I find you have discredited yourself and thus present a false narrative.

 

[Konstantin]

Sigh...you are not a prophet, nor do you have any actual scripture to support your assertion. Therefore, I find you have discredited yourself and thus present a false narrative.

I am not interested in the opinion of any sectarian about me.

 

[AustinC]

I am not interested in the opinion of any sectarian about me.

You should be interested in a Christian telling you that you have no biblical support for your false prophesying. You are making claims that the Bible does not make and are attributing them to God. You are on very dangerous grounds with God. That should make you extremely interested.

 

[Yeshua1]

How do you know this? Mohammad could have imagined the whole thing or just made it up. There's nothing in the Quran that is of extra-human origin.


As far as Genesis is concerned, the serpent only spoke to Eve. The idea that the servant spoke to Adam is your embellishment. Adam heeded the voice of his wife (Genesis 3:17).


Joseph Smith, Jr. could never get his story straight. If he truly had a vision, he couldn't keep it straight.

My point is that IF any creature.being had spoken to any of them, would have been Satan, not Yahweh!

 

[Yeshua1]

They are publicly burning NT books. One of the cities of Israel is the unofficial capital of sodomites around the world. God will punish this people for such wickedness. Jerusalem will be destroyed, and Israel will face another scattering.

Yahweh still has His plans for them in the future!

 

[Konstantin]

Yahweh still has His plans for them in the future!

God, of course, has plans for the future for Israel, but the sectarians do not know about them. Israel will be "the light of the world" (Matt.5:14) and "the salt of the earth" (Matt.5:13) in the Millennium.

 

[Baptist Believer]

My point is that IF any creature.being had spoken to any of them, would have been Satan, not Yahweh!

You should have written that instead.

 

[Baptist Believer]

God, of course, has plans for the future for Israel, but the sectarians do not know about them. Israel will be "the light of the world" (Matt.5:14) and "the salt of the earth" (Matt.5:13) in the Millennium.

Perhaps, but WE (not the nation-state of Israel) are already supposed to be the salt of the earth and light of the world. That teaching is not for the future.

 

[AustinC]

God, of course, has plans for the future for Israel, but the sectarians do not know about them. Israel will be "the light of the world" (Matt.5:14) and "the salt of the earth" (Matt.5:13) in the Millennium.

The Church, the Body of Christ, is the Light in the world that cannot be hidden because Jesus is the Light. Jesus work in the Christian makes the Christian salt for the earth.

Jesus ended the Sinai Covenant at the cross and ushered in the New Covenant which is for all people's.

 

[Konstantin]

God, of course, has plans for the future for Israel, but the sectarians do not know about them. Israel will be "the light of the world" (Matt.5:14) and "the salt of the earth" (Matt.5:13) in the Millennium.

There are thousands of denominations today. Their devil's doctrines (1Tim.4:1) contradict each other and biblical doctrine. Neither devil's doctrines, nor sectarians are neither the light of the world, nor the salt of the earth. In Israel, shall be ALL "taught of God" (John.6:45). The earth "shall bee full of the knowledge of the Lord" (Is.11:9) in the Millennium.

 

[Covenanter]

God, of course, has plans for the future for Israel, but the sectarians do not know about them. Israel will be "the light of the world" (Matt.5:14) and "the salt of the earth" (Matt.5:13) in the Millennium.

Who or what is "Israel" in the present "dispensation?" The long promised Seed of Abraham, the Messiah, has come and redeemed Israel, completing his God-given ministry by his service, atoning death, resurrection and ascension. According to the promises to the Patriarchs, all nations on earth are counted in, by faith, not physical descent.

Gen. 22:18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

Isaiah 49: 6 Indeed He says,
‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

John 1:11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Mat. 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.

Romans 4:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Gal. 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

How is that you believe that the present state of Israel the covenant Israel? Unbelieving Jews only receive the promises by repentance and faith.

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.​

Perhaps, but WE (not the nation-state of Israel) are already supposed to be the salt of the earth and light of the world. That teaching is not for the future.

That's the clear teaching of Scripture.

There are thousands of denominations today. Their devil's doctrines (1Tim.4:1) contradict each other and biblical doctrine. Neither devil's doctrines, nor sectarians are neither the light of the world, nor the salt of the earth. In Israel, shall be ALL "taught of God" (John.6:45). The earth "shall bee full of the knowledge of the Lord" (Is.11:9) in the Millennium.

Thousands of denominations?? Rather, many thousands of local churches, bodies of believers in the Saviour, our LORD Jesus Christ.

Some of these calling themselves "Christian" will include false doctrine, like the RCC which is a political denomination claiming universal authority under the Pope. Whenever a church claims authority apart from the New Covenant Gospel then there is error, for such authority assumes a judgment that is God's alone. God judges our hearts.

We may recognise only as believers those baptised by immersion on confession of faith. Good! But dare we exclude those with a living faith who were baptised as infants, or by sprinkling? Should we separate from those who worship on the seventh day Sabbath? Or those who worship on the first day of the week, aka the Lord's Day? We should look for a living faith, not submission to a ritual.

Israel's situation is blatant unbelief, rejection of the Law, rejection of the Messiah, and pursuit of the promise to Abram through war, hatred of neighbour, theft of land and water, destruction of fruitful trees and land.

NO! Christians should reject all that carnal Israel is doing in what they claim to be a land promised by God. REPENT! MESSIAH HAS COME!

There is a whole spiritual realm, and the promise of a New Heaven and New Earth, the home of righteousness.