It is as it was....or was it?

[Spirit and Truth]

quote:

With permission slips, high school students attend Passion
ARDMORE, Okla. (BP)--With permission slips from their parents, more than 500 high school students in the Ardmore, Okla., area viewed The Passion of The Christ.


S&T:

The above should be considered spiritual child abuse.


Al Mohler did an excellent job debating Schmuley Boteach and some liberal Christian theologians on the Donahue show about Jesus being the only way to salvation. I wish he had taken a more direct approach in this statement:


Mohler said he hopes the movie will spawn in-depth discussion among believers resulting in a more biblical understanding of such issues.

"We should be extremely circumspect, he said. I would not have made this movie. Should we commend Christians to go to the movie? I'm not sure. I'm really not.

 

[Frogman]

Respectfully, to all concerned,

I do not believe that to speak one's convictions, pro or con, on this or any other topic is an attempt to play the Holy Spirit in the lives of any other.

For those of us who oppose the movie, would it be sinful to not speak against it? Would you who support the movie rather we deny our belief and sin against God?

Then, it would be not unscriptural according to Calvinism and other ism systems to say that not one of us who are just keeping our opinions to ourselves for fear of offending our brothers and sisters, or for fear of having an appearance of playing the Holy Spirit in the lives of our brothers and sisters have failed to have persevered in our faith, thus, being able to have it said by others and most expecially by our own conscience to ourselves that perhaps our hope has been founded upon a faith within our own private faith rather than in the witness of the Holy Spirit indwelling us.

Why would you not expect anyone having specific convictions about the word of God to speak as they feel those convictions require of them?

Isn't it just odd how that anyone standing for the pure word of God (James 3.17) is judged first in accordance with the fruit of the Spirit while that which is said first by the Word of God is ignored?


I am glad there is a place for those who support the film to speak kindly of it. I am glad there remains a place for those seeing no good in or coming from this film to speak as well. I for one will not ask either side to not speak according to their personal convictions.
God Bless
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

[bb_baptist]

Originally posted by Spirit and Truth:
The Passion movie is knockin em DEAD !!! Not only is God using it as the greatest evangelistic tool of the last 2000 years, but He is aslo using it to bring some of his people home?

Brazilian pastor dies watching "Passion of Christ" 

http://www.reuters.com/locales/newsArticle.jsp?type=entertainmentNews&locale=en_IN&storyID=4628071

Maybe they should start making it mandatory to have EMT people on staff at all theatres during the showing.

S&T, your misplaced sarcasm is in poor taste.

I'm sure even you know that more than 500,000 people die of heart attacks each year in this country alone. Given that more than 65 million people watched the movie already, there is nothing statistically unusual about a few deaths caused by common illnesses.

[ March 23, 2004, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: webmaster ]

 

[Frogman]

In fact, most heart failure occurs separate from any physical activity or other stimulation.

Bro. Dallas

 

[Spirit and Truth]

WM:

S&T, your misplaced sarcasm is in poor taste.

S&T:

Isn't this kind of sarcastic as well:

I'm sure even you know that more than 500,000 people die of heart attacks each year

S&T:

In the event that you are looking for a reason to bounce me because my opinions go against the grain, that is up to you. All I ask is that you be up front about it.

 

[sharpSword]

"65,000,000 million people watched the movie already"

That's enough to give me a heart attack.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

 

[Frogman]

S&T:

In the event that you are looking for a reason to bounce me because my opinions go against the grain, that is up to you. All I ask is that you be up front about it.

Dear Brother Spirit & Truth, What I say below is said in as much love and grace as I possess, so please take it as it is and no more.

At the risk of being offensive to you or perhaps others (like that ever stopped me before )

Remember the old saying 'don't rock the boat'? Well, I have a personal saying, you cannot help to paddle a boat if you are not in that boat.

I beleive there is a place for both sides of this issue here on the BB or anywhere else it may be discussed.

All I am saying is that we do not wish to lose a paddle because of the beating of the water instead of the sound solid strokes.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas

[edited to correct Frogman's error ]

 

[sharpSword]

Pwhew Frogman!!!....I thought I had totally lost brain function or had a stroke after posting about the 65,000,000 seeing the movie.

What a relief you weren't talking to me....cause I did not have a clue what you meant.

Totally relieved. Truth stands...with both oars in the water!

 

[vaspers]

webmaster administrator:

Thank you for allowing extremely harsh and impassioned criticism of THE PASSION by myself and others...

...when you support the film.

You, a long long while ago, could've said, "That's it. I can't stand listening to these hostile criticisms anymore. I don't have to sit here and take it. Time to do some deleting and banning."

But........you refrained from doing this.

You are setting a powerful, dignified example to all of us, pro-Passion or anti-Passion.

Anti-Passion folks, like me, should really slow down and ponder this fact.

The webmaster supports the film...yet tolerates all kinds of comments against it. Some pro-Passionites might consider him a traitor to the cause...

...but I appreciate the democratic, tolerant attitude. Many pastors, my past one in particular, was not this dignified and gracious.

Thanks webmaster. Your example and compassion and love for intellectual freedom is a wonderful example for our faith, our nation, and the world.

 

[Spirit and Truth]

quoted from another thread:

Sorry, no comparison between "The Last Temptation of Christ" and "The Passion"

S&T:

Here is the kettle shouting at the pot:

The writer of Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ has described The Passion of the Christ as "medieval":

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1176024,00.html

 

[Spirit and Truth]

The Passion ...bringing people "together":

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1173786,00.html

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by LarryN:
S & T,

This may come as a surprise to you, but people actually die in many places: in their homes, in their cars, at the supermarket, working in their yards, while in airplanes, on the golf course, at their workplace, etc.

Why does it seem odd to you that someone could die in a theatre, especially among the tens of millions who have seen this film?

LarryN: I am not looking to debate this with the anti-passionists, I just wanted to share it with you. A young boy, 17 was killed in a car accident in from our town this week. Two weeks before, he went with our church group to see the movie and gave his life to the Lord after the movie when our preacher took them back to explain how the sacrifice of Jesus worked. I wonder what would have happened otherwise?

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Frogman:
In fact, most heart failure occurs separate from any physical activity or other stimulation.

Bro. Dallas

Well, sometimes, but I agree that I don't think a movie would do it.......

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by vaspers:
webmaster administrator:

Thank you for allowing extremely harsh and impassioned criticism of THE PASSION by myself and others...

...when you support the film.

Thanks webmaster. Your example and compassion and love for intellectual freedom is a wonderful example for our faith, our nation, and the world.

The webmaster of this board has always allowed differing opinions, that is the idea behind having debate sections. The board has always been that way, and of course, the webmaster does have his own opinions and I'm sure that none of us see eye to eye on everything. Yes, it is a good board, but you maintain a dignified argument here and I think the webmaster can appreciate that.

 

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LarryN:
S & T,

This may come as a surprise to you, but people actually die in many places: in their homes, in their cars, at the supermarket, working in their yards, while in airplanes, on the golf course, at their workplace, etc.

Why does it seem odd to you that someone could die in a theatre, especially among the tens of millions who have seen this film?

LarryN: I am not looking to debate this with the anti-passionists, I just wanted to share it with you. A young boy, 17 was killed in a car accident in from our town this week. Two weeks before, he went with our church group to see the movie and gave his life to the Lord after the movie when our preacher took them back to explain how the sacrifice of Jesus worked. I wonder what would have happened otherwise? </font>[/QUOTE]Depends on your view of soteriology. I believe this young man, if saved would have come to Christ apart from having viewed the film. But I believe that because I believe the atonement of Christ is particular to the elect.

The question you have to ask yourselve, if you are basing his eternal salvation only on what you see outwardly, is did he follow the Lord in Baptism? Not that Baptism was necessary for the circumcision of his heart, but as a command of the church to baptize those who believe, it is often pretty soon after receiving salvation that believers begin to want or seek after baptism.

That would be my only question. Otherwise, obtaining a profession from someone based on emotion is nothing knew, just check out the testimony of B.H. Carroll sometime.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

[Frogman]

To My Baptist Brethren

Taken from the book entitled, “Baptist Doctrines”, 1892

We should remember that we have naught to gain, but everything to lose by comprising the principles which we hold. Should fidelity to God’s Word lead us to separation from those we love as well as our own lives, we should still be firm; remembering that true love to Jesus, as well as to our friends, should lead us to stand firmly by the truth. Baptists have accomplished a noble work for the world. We do not believe that their mission is ended. Our fathers suffered imprisonment, stripes, banishment, death, that they might bequeath to us the rich legacy which we enjoy. Shall we barter that legacy for popular applause? The early Christians were the “sect everywhere spoken against.” Our Master bore suffering and shame for us. If our principles bring reproach upon us, let us bear that reproach. Let us be careful to avoid bitterness and unholy strife. Let our lives abound in patience, forbearance, gentleness, goodness, and truth, while we commit ourselves, not to men, but to God, who judgeth righteously.

~copied~

 

[Spirit and Truth]

When I first heard the statement "The greatest evangelistic tool in two thousand years!", the first thing that came to my mind was the early English translations such as the Geneva or the KJV Bible, which put the Bible into the hands of believers, instead of keeping it locked up in church vaults.. How silly of me. What was I thinking? Sorry Mel.......

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

give me a break.........

 

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Frogman:
In fact, most heart failure occurs separate from any physical activity or other stimulation.

Bro. Dallas

Well, sometimes, but I agree that I don't think a movie would do it....... </font>[/QUOTE]Yesterday, when I heard of the 'two' people dying in the theatre, the above was also stated on that news broadcast. So, I thought I would add it here.

I have been in close proximity of two heart attack victims. The first was an elderly man when I was about 12-13 years old. My dad my brothers and myself were cutting wood for him. He was attempting to help by splitting what needed to be split. Dad stopped cutting the wood and split it so the man wouldn't have to. While this was happening the man sat on the front tractor tire. I was talking to him. He just sat there blankly staring straight ahead with no response to me or my 'talking'.

When he began to slide off the tire I caught him and my brothers got dad's attention. Dad had recently received cpr training from his job and he sent me and my next older brother (I have two both younger than me) to run to the house and call an ambulance. By the time we did this and the ambulance arrived, we rode with them to show them where on the farm the man was at. Dad, the man and my youngest brother were returning to the house on the tractor and wagon. The paramedics checked the man out, took him to the hospital and said that the early response of cpr probably saved his life.

The second person I saw was my dad. He came into the house one afternoon (only 41 yrs old at the time) and sat down on a coffee table, grabbed his chest and said he felt like he couldn't take another step. He also fell over in the same way. We called an ambulance again, this time no one knew cpr. The ambulance arrived and took him to the hospital. He had suffered what they called a mild heart attack.

Only in the case of my dad, there was no real strenuous activity to cause the attack.

Bro. Dallas

 

[vaspers]

My former "pastor" (imposter more like it) is now saying in his sermons:

"those who criticize The Passion are mostly Jews. don't listen to the TV critics. If you are against The Passion movie, you are against Jesus and the Gospels, that's what you've really got a problem with, not Mel Gibson."

What a lying, intellectually dishonest cult leader that imposter pastor has become.

To like The Passion: okay. I understand, sort of.

But to make a statement like that about those who criticize it...what a dictatorial kook.

 

[Glory Bound]

I can't resist this - I just find it so amazing that the church has come so far in just over 20 years.

Supposedly "there's no comparison between THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST and THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST". I must disagree with this assessment.

Last Temptation has a wonderful scene where the Apostle Paul gives his testimony before a small crowd. He speaks of salvation through the resurrected Jesus.

Last Temptation shows Jesus praying in the garden while his disciples slept, without the inclusion of Satan.

Last Temptation showed the scourging, mocking, beating that Jesus endured prior to being nailed to the cross. Very touching.

Yeah, there were some scenes in the movie that you won't find in the Bible... they were artistic license. The director wanted to show the humanity of Jesus along with his deity. Besides, as has already been noted and scripture says, there are many acts of Jesus that are not recorded in scripture.

The Passion has a graphic torture and crucifiction, which has brought many to tears. Many other scenes in The Passion can't be backed up with scripture, but then again we have artistic license and the fact that not all of the acts of Jesus are recorded for us.

So we have two movies about Christ... depicting his torture and death... both with some scenes right out of scripture while others are dramatic license... in 1988 one movie is heavily protested and boycotted by the church, while in 2004 the other movie is hailed as the greatest evangelism tool in history.

Times have changed, if you ask me.