IT IS FINISHED!

[Martin Marprelate]

@Martin Marprelate you say "I think that perhaps you have missed an important point." then you agree with what I had said. What you added was not relevant to the question made by @percho that I was responding to.

I think perhaps it is up to @percho to decide if my post is relevant to the OP. The point you missed, and which I addressed, was concerning the three hours of darkness ending at the 9th hour (3 pm).

You made some comments in your post that I do not see supported in the text of the bible but as you said you want to to start a thread on this topic so I look forward to that.

You asked about the meaning of 2 Corinthians 5:21 and my reply gave no fewer than four Bible references. However, i do hope to post something on the union of the believer with Christ in due course, but my duties at the church I attend are keeping me very busy at present, so don't hold your breath.

 

[Alan Gross]

OP What was finished?

Joh 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do

I started to quote John 17:4, but you already had. Bam! Suddenly! 4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do."

 

[Revmitchell]

Mat 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

 

[tyndale1946]

Mat 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Mitch!... I like your shirt... These lives sure did!... Brother Glen

Revelation 7: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

and these

Revelation 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

 

[percho]

Because I believe this is relative to the OP, I would like to ask all:

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isa 53:6

Who did the LORD lay the iniquity of us all upon? Who is the LORD? Who is him?

Did, the LORD laying the iniquity of us all, take place in a literal moment in time?
Is that the same moment as the following in bold, "τὸν γὰρ μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν ? from 2 Cor 5:21
Was Jesus saying, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me, relative to having the iniquity us us all being laid upon him.

What was left to happen?

Well death for one.
What about maybe an answered prayer? The prayer John 17;5 'And now, glorify me, Thou Father, with Thyself, with the glory that I had before the world was, with Thee;
The answer 1 Peter 1:21 who through him do believe in God, who did raise out of the dead, and glory to him did give, so that your faith and hope may be in God.

 

[Brightfame52]

If one were to hold to your stated view, "Christ said all is finished that accomplished the saving of all for whom He died" then He saved everyone, no one is lost. That would make you a universalist, are you saying that you are?

According to scripture, who did Christ die for?

Rom 5:6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

BF no one was saved by His death. Christ was the appeasing sacrifice that reconciled the world to God. {1John 2:2} God sent His son into the world as a savior, {John 3:17} because the desire of His heart was that all should be saved. {1Timothy 2:3-4}

The world was reconciled to God through His death. {Romans 5:10 a} But only those that freely trust in the risen Christ will be saved. {Romans 5:10 b}

Christ died so that all could be saved {John 3:17} We see the relationship between God and man clearly in the following verse from Paul {2Corinthians 5:18-21} God, through Christ, reconciled the world to Himself thus making it possible for man to be reconciled to God. Man must submit to God's terms of mercy, faith in His risen son. God has removed all the obstacles to reconciliation which existed on his part. Now it remains that man should lay aside his hostility, abandon his sins, embrace the terms of mercy, and become in fact reconciled to God.

BF you keep saying that it was His death that saves while the bible says it is His life. You want to trust in a dead man and I trust in the risen Christ.

It is finished, everything needed to be done has been finished by Christ, to save His People from their sins, everyone He died for is saved from their sins, and will be given Life Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

So they shall be saved by His Life on the premise of His death.

 

[Brightfame52]

@percho

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isa 53:6

Who did the LORD lay the iniquity of us all upon? Who is the LORD? Who is him?

Jesus Christ ! And the US is Gods chosen Sheep

 

[Revmitchell]

John 19: 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Simple question or is it?... What was finished?... Brother Glen

Does this include the regeneration that must occur in order for someone to believe according to reformed theology?

 

[Brightfame52]

Does this include the regeneration that must occur in order for someone to believe according to reformed theology?

Yes, for His Resurrection was proof that His Death was successful, and when He sat down on the Right Hand of God, He was given the Holy Spirit so that He sends Him to regenerate all for whom He died. Acts 2:33

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

The Holy Spirit is given to Spiritually apply the finished work of Christ unto all for whom He died.

 

[37818]

It is finished, everything needed to be done has been finished by Christ, to save His People from their sins, everyone He died for is saved from their sins, and will be given Life Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

So they shall be saved by His Life on the premise of His death.

What Jesus said was finished was already finished prior to John 19:28, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . ."

 

[Brightfame52]

What Jesus said was finished was already finished prior to John 19:28, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . ."

A worthless comment. What Christ finished ensured the full salvation of all for whom He died, all the Father gave Him to save.

 

[David Kent]

Mat 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

 

[Brightfame52]

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

They are the same people.

 

[tyndale1946]

Does this include the regeneration that must occur in order for someone to believe according to reformed theology?

Looks like God alone is in the regeneration business too!... Brother Glen

John 5: 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

You mean Grace Theology

1 John 4: 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Tell us how you naturally birthed yourself!

 

[Revmitchell]

Looks like God alone is in the regeneration business too!... Brother Glen

John 5: 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

You mean Grace Theology

1 John 4: 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Tell us how you naturally birthed yourself!

Well using the logic of reformed theology, if God still has to regenerate you and then give you faith it cannot possibly be finished.

 

[percho]

Looks like whatever, "it," is, it is singular.

 

[David Kent]

Well using the logic of reformed theology, if God still has to regenerate you and then give you faith it cannot possibly be finished.

That is nonsense. As Paul says,
Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

That whole work was finished when Jesus said it was finished.

God chose the Jewish nation when they rejected him over and over again. Why do you think God could choose the Jews and not His church? He did it for his glory and grace. The same applies in the following.

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[Brightfame52]

Well using the logic of reformed theology, if God still has to regenerate you and then give you faith it cannot possibly be finished.

His finished Work is the basis, ground why the elect are regenerated and given faith, Christ earned it for them, and He sees to it they are given to them.

 

[Silverhair]

That is nonsense. As Paul says,
Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

That whole work was finished when Jesus said it was finished.

God chose the Jewish nation when they rejected him over and over again. Why do you think God could choose the Jews and not His church? He did it for his glory and grace. The same applies in the following.

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

So you have people saved before the foundation of the world or when Christ died? Either way it is not biblical. Romans 4:5
Christ was "delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification."

 

[Silverhair]

His finished Work is the basis, ground why the elect are regenerated and given faith, Christ earned it for them, and He sees to it they are given to them.

So you have people declared to be righteous before God before they even believe. Not a biblical view. Romans 3:21-26