It is Finished

[John of Japan]

Do you think there might have been a bit of purchasing or redeeming going on (Acts 20:28; 1 Cor. 6:20; 1 Peter 1:18-19)?

Kind of hard to deny that with those Scriptures. The thing is, the language in those Scriptures is metaphorical, not literal. (Christ's literal blood was not traded to Satan--or whoever, etc.)

N.B. Don't feel obliged to answer. I can well understand your desire to stay out of the melee.

I'll answer reasonable questions like yours.

 

[kyredneck]

Was Jesus death due to satan getting him nailed upon that Cross, or due the very Will of the Father?

Who sold Joseph into Egypt?:
20 And as for you, ye meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Gen 50

Who moved David?:
And again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Sam 24:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. 1 Chron 21:1

Who enticed Ahab?:
20 And Jehovah said, Who shall entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner; and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before Jehovah, and said, I will entice him.
22 And Jehovah said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt entice him, and shalt prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, Jehovah hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets; and Jehovah hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Ki 22

Who afflicted Job?:
11 But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
12 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thy hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of Jehovah. Job 1
5 But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
6 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; only spare his life. Job 2

Who tempted Christ?:
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil Mt 4 [Mark 1:12]

Who sifted Peter?:
31 Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: Lu 22

Who buffeted Paul?:
7 And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch. 2 Cor 12

Who killed Christ?:
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole.
26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array, And the rulers were gathered together, Against the Lord, and against his Anointed:
27 for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
28 to do whatsoever thy hand and thy council foreordained to come to pass. Acts 4

Jesus is the new Jonah

You're supposed to be bright enough to see it, instead you stubbornly choose to keep disputing the scripture: 14 And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt...

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[Aaron]

I've done my best to stay out of those endless arguments on this matter, but since you ask politely, here is what I believe, and this is standard evangelical theology.

Christ "died for our sins" (1 Cor. 15:3). The word "for" is the Greek preposition ὑπὲρ, with the object "sins" in the genitive, meaning "for the sake of" or "to atone, pay the price for something (HE 10.12)." The cross reference given here makes it clear that Christ died as a sacrifice to atone for our sins: "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God." Christ atoned for all sin in all of history on the cross. Since sin demands the judgment of God, Christ took on Himself on the cross the eternal punishment in Hell of everyone who ever lived.

No one else could do this, but Christ is deity. "Paul describes Christ's work of the atonement as propitiation or the appeasement of God's wrath for the sins of humanity" (Erickson, ChristIan Theology, 3rd ed., 732. This is the standard systematic theology in Baptist seminaries nowadays.).

Thank you for a straight answer.