It is Just About Time...

[Kidz-4-HIM]

It's about time that I am going to quit debating about the truth. I believe that the KJV is the ONLY Bible for the ENGLISH speaking people and will continue to believe and teach until God Himself changes my Bible?
I have some final questions for the Bible forum.
1. Where has this gotten you?
2. How many young Christians has been strethened in their walk with the Lord by debating with you?
3. How many souls could have been led to the Lord if you would just quit fussing about things.
4. How many unsaved people may have viewed BB and saw all the fussing, back-biting, name calling, and confusion on it and said 'well if they are christians and fuss about everything under the sun I'm good to go'?
5. How many christians will leave or be kicked off BB and be mad at each other?

Cline

p.s. I am sick and tired of debating about the truth, I am NOT LEAVING because I was told to, want to, or not having enough info about the debates. I am just sick and tired of fussing with christians who have nothing else better to do that will not change their stand for any reason.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I started teaching Sunday School in the
summer of 1958. That would be 45 years
ago in the summer of 2003. The
9-year-olds teacher quit at the end
of May (he was a public school teacher).
They didn't get a replacement until
the beginning of the Sunday School
year in October.

In my Sunday School teaching resume i'll
say:

Sunday School Teacher for Baptist Church
with experience spanning 46 years."

In a sadder part of my resume i'll say:

"Kicked off KJVO board for
posting from an acutal KJV1611
instead of the called "KJV 1611 AV"
but is actually a KJV1769."

Still in love with Jesus

 

[Pastor Larry]

The worst thing is that you think you are defending truth when you defend your manmade doctrine of KJVOnlyism.

There have been a number of people who have left the error of KJVOnlyism after reading this board. We take the stand we do because we love truth and we hate to see the faith of people in the word of God destroyed by those who won't tell the truth about it.

 

[rsr]

I have learned much about text families, translational philosophies, the history of the English Bible and many other topics. And about how to snip quotes to make someone say something he hasn't said. Unfortunately, it often generates more heat than light, but there are some valuable nuggets there anyway.

As far as not changing one's stand for any reason, I do not find that to be the case for those who tolerate or accept modern versions. There is a case to be made for the TR or MT, but not on the basis of the often ludicrous arguments overwhelmingly used by opponents of modern versions.

It is especially irksome when the arguments must defend not only the texts of the KJV but also the translators' rendition of the texts. It simply is not possible, it seems, for the translators to have made an error or even simple a questional choice.

There is no reason for you to leave; stay and you might learn something. I did.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
There have been a number of people who have left the error of KJVOnlyism after reading this board. We take the stand we do because we love truth and we hate to see the faith of people in the word of God destroyed by those who won't tell the truth about it.

Amen, Brother Pastor Larry -- Preach it!

May All God's Best blessings be unto
Brother Pastor Larry, his family, and
his ministry. May these blessings flow
that we might give all the more
honor and glory unto the Living Word
of God, our blessed Lord and Savior:
Mesiah Iesus. Amen!

 

[tinytim]

K4H, I'll try to answer your questions from my perspective. Since we both live in WV, i'm sure you'll understand somethings that maybe others won't.
Any way you asked:

1. Where has this gotten you?

I have learned so much from people here on this board. In central WV there is a spiritual battle going on for churches. Churches that have never thought about denying the use of other versions are now being split over this man-made myth. And I'll call it that because nowhere in the Bible (KJB) does it ever say that God will wait 1611 years before giving his word to people. I am facing a spiritual battle with eternal consequenses next month because some uneducated pastors bought into this lie from Hell. 20 churches will be getting together to debate all the lies that ripplinger, ruckman, chick, and others have spread about God's divine word, the NIV. Most of the lies have been spread by the IFB churches in and around Charleston. I know I used to belong to them. I thank God that there are people on this board that loves truth more than myth.


2. How many young Christians has been strethened in their walk with the Lord by debating with you?

I don't know about here on this board, but at church I know of about 24 that are now reading a Bible everyday that they understand because our church bought them a NLT Life application study Bible. Some are now becoming interested in Greek and Hebrew. You see, I love my youth enough to educate them. And if I don't know the answer I tell them where to find it. The one thing I don't want is for one to grow up only to find themselves called to preach and being uneducated. I never want to hear one rant and rave like an ignorant, uneducated and proud of it, hick from the sticks, pounding his fist on the pulpit shouting out "King James only!, King James Only." Lord knows we have too many of them around.


3. How many souls could have been led to the Lord if you would just quit fussing about things.

Amen Brother!!!
Quit shouting the praises of King James and start Praising Christ. Last August I was in a meeting where there were about 17 churches present. You should have heard all the "amens" when the words "King James" were preached from the pulpit. The church erupted with praise over the KJV. But when a preacher preached on the Harvest. There was not a word of praise for Jesus.
I agree, too much time is given to King James in the pulpits of America, and not enough time is given to Jesus. K4H, when you go to the next IFB fellowship meeting coming up in the Kanawha county area, pay attention to that. I was at an all night preaching at Pinch in 97, that was a IFB fellowship meeting. It certainly rang true there: "Praise the King James Bible!!"


4. How many unsaved people may have viewed BB and saw all the fussing, back-biting, name calling, and confusion on it and said 'well if they are christians and fuss about everything under the sun I'm good to go'?

Again, I have no Idea. But I will stand against false doctrine, and KJVOism is a man made myth!
BTW one of the IFB favorite slogans in WV is "If you don't stand against it, you must be for it!!"
Same here.

5. How many christians will leave or be kicked off BB and be mad at each other?

Probably a few, but when someone starts preaching a doctrine that is from the pits of hell, it is our responsibility to stand for truth. If the offending party gets mad, so be it. Truth hurts. Look at Calvary.

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
The worst thing is that you think you are defending truth when you defend your manmade doctrine of KJVOnlyism.

There have been a number of people who have left the error of KJVOnlyism after reading this board. We take the stand we do because we love truth and we hate to see the faith of people in the word of God destroyed by those who won't tell the truth about it.

What faith? You have no faith in God's word. If you believed something today and tomorrow some idiot digs up a MSS and says that it is the word of God, you'll believe it. Why? Because its the oldest MSS we have and it has to be God's word. Well, no it doesn't. That's why faith in one book will always be true faith and all others are false. You believe whatever can prove, or try to prove the KJB wrong. God did what he said in Psalm 12, but you guys like saying, "well, that's not what the Greek, Hebrew, Aramic, Latin, etc, etc, says." Try using that faith you speak of and put it on something that has a firm foundation, the King James Bible. The reason most people don't like the King James Bible is because it puts them in their place, it tells it like it is. It tells you that you are going to HELL not hades. It says things are an abomination unto the Lord not detestable. This is just me, but if I didn't know better, I would thing that the modern version writers were sodomites. After all, they didn't like using that in the NIV now did they.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

k4H,

If you are still around I have some questions for you:

Originally posted by Kidz-4-HIM:
1. Where has this gotten you?
2. How many young Christians has been strethened in their walk with the Lord by debating with you?
3. How many souls could have been led to the Lord if you would just quit fussing about things.
4. How many unsaved people may have viewed BB and saw all the fussing, back-biting, name calling, and confusion on it and said 'well if they are christians and fuss about everything under the sun I'm good to go'?
5. How many christians will leave or be kicked off BB and be mad at each other?

 

[Ed Edwards]

HomeBound: "That's why faith in one book will always be true
faith and all others are false."

AH, i remember seeing your proof text

Ephesians 4:4-6 (KJV1769):

There is one body, and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one Book
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all,
and through all, and in you all.

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
HomeBound: "That's why faith in one book will always be true
faith and all others are false."

AH, i remember seeing your proof text

Ephesians 4:4-6 (KJV1769):

There is one body, and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one Book
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all,
and through all, and in you all.

Aren't you glad it didn't say that. It does though make since.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by tinytim:
5. How many christians will leave or be kicked off BB and be mad at each other?

Probably a few, but when someone starts preaching a doctrine that is from the pits of hell, it is our responsibility to stand for truth. If the offending party gets mad, so be it. Truth hurts. Look at Calvary.

Amen, Brother Tinytim -- Preach it!

Thank you for sharing freely with us
in your first four responses as well as this
fifth one.

There is one slight technical correction:
"From the pits of hell" is a common saying,
but not technically correct. "Bound for the pits
of hell" is more correct. As we know,
Satan is the father of lies. But he is now
on the earth seeking whom he might devour.
Satan is NOT the CEO (chief executive officer)
of hell. Hell was made for Satan as it's
chief occupant. People shouldn't go there at
all. Nothing comes from Hell, it is a one-way
trip if you ever go there.

May all God's best blessings be unto
Brother Tinytim, his family, and his ministry.
Amen!

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tinytim:
5. How many christians will leave or be kicked off BB and be mad at each other?

Probably a few, but when someone starts preaching a doctrine that is from the pits of hell, it is our responsibility to stand for truth. If the offending party gets mad, so be it. Truth hurts. Look at Calvary.

Amen, Brother Tinytim -- Preach it!

Thank you for sharing freely with us
in your first four responses as well as this
fifth one.

There is one slight technical correction:
"From the pits of hell" is a common saying,
but not technically correct. "Bound for the pits
of hell" is more correct. As we know,
Satan is the father of lies. But he is now
on the earth seeking whom he might devour.
Satan is NOT the CEO (chief executive officer)
of hell. Hell was made for Satan as it's
chief occupant. People shouldn't go there at
all. Nothing comes from Hell, it is a one-way
trip if you ever go there.

May all God's best blessings be unto
Brother Tinytim, his family, and his ministry.
Amen!

</font>[/QUOTE]When someone starts preaching a doctrine that is from the pits of hell, it is our responsibility to stand for truth. If the offending party gets mad, so be it. Truth hurts. Look at Calvary. Also, the devil has already lied about the word of God, just look at all the versions out there, some are more confused today that ever. Do you not believe that the devil would not try and create his bible, why he has his own ministers, false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. Do you think he is going to wait for the tribulation period to do this, I think not, it's here today and it's been here.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by HomeBound:

Do you not believe that the devil would not try and create his bible, why he has his own ministers, false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

My Jesus is bigger than your devil.

Technically speaking you should have
said "lead devil" who is also known as Satan.
There are many devils. My Jesus can
wup all them devils! Why He even gave us
the power so we can wup up on then also.

My God is so Big He can have His Holy
Written Word (Rehma) in lots of
different English Versions. My God is
not a tenny tinny God who only one
and only one Bible.

 

[robycop3]

Kidz_4_Him:It's about time that I am going to quit debating about the truth. I believe that the KJV is the ONLY Bible for the ENGLISH speaking people and will continue to believe and teach until God Himself changes my Bible?

Then you simply believe wrong. That IS the truth.


I have some final questions for the Bible forum.
1. Where has this gotten you?

Me? Nowhere. I'm not stuck in the silly man-made KJVO myth. But from the posts elsewhere on this board, we have gotten several people out of that false doctrine, and hopefully, quite a few lurkers may have read and learned.

2. How many young Christians has been strethened in their walk with the Lord by debating with you?

Quite a few, we hope.

3. How many souls could have been led to the Lord if you would just quit fussing about things.

Most likely, a lot less if we'd just ignored a blatant false doctrine.


4. How many unsaved people may have viewed BB and saw all the fussing, back-biting, name calling, and confusion on it and said 'well if they are christians and fuss about everything under the sun I'm good to go'?

Not too many. They will have seen that we are ZEALOUS in our faith, not allowing it to be invaded by a man-made false doctrine while we sat silently by.

5. How many christians will leave or be kicked off BB and be mad at each other?

Cline

That'e mostly up to each individual. The rules of the board are quite simple, ans every Christian should have standards of behavior that easily fits within these rules. We cannot help it if someone gets mad because their doctrine is shown false. Sometimes we gotta step on a few toes to arouse the lethargic to action.

p.s. I am sick and tired of debating about the truth,

Then why do you insist upon advocating something-KJVO-which is NOT the truth?


I am NOT LEAVING because I was told to, want to, or not having enough info about the debates.

But you HAVE shown a distinct lack of info about the subject matter. That's nu fault of yours; it's merely inexperience. It takes S-T-U-D-Y to be fully informed about the KJVO myth or the other false doctrines people have tried to add to the baptist faith & Christianity in general.


I am just sick and tired of fussing with christians who have nothing else better to do that will not change their stand for any reason.

Cline, you posted here on a DEBATE board & then said you didn't want to debate. And the subject matter-KJVO-is a KNOWN FALSE DOCTRINE. Common sense shoulda told you we weren't gonna let pro-KJVO remarks go unchallenged.

And none of those so-called "scholars" have given us anti-Onlyismists any reason to change our minds. You've seen where we've constantly called upon them to tell us by whose authority they advocate the KJVO myth and to provide evidence to establish any credence whatsoever for that myth, AND THEY SIMPLY WON'T ANSWER, or answer with some hyperbole which has nothing to do with the questions asked.

Can YOU provide any evidence to support the KJVO myth?

Actually, I spend little time on these boards. I generally quote from memory, taking a break from working in my little e-business. I spend more time attacking actual cults and more harmful false doctrines such as salvation by works than I do with the Onlyism myth.

Speaking of sick-and-tired, I've heard the same ole Onlyism drivel for over 20 years now. It was wrong 20 years ago & it's still just as wrong now.Why do I go on? Becayse I have a CHRISTIAN DUTY to combat the false doctrines as I come across them, and for the sake of the neophytes and younger Christians such as yourself. I believe that if you dig deep enough into the realm of the KJVO myth with your eyes upon Jesus all the time, you'll soon leave that myth behind. We'll all be rooting and praying for you!

In Christ,

Cranston

 

[robycop3]

Homebound:When someone starts preaching a doctrine that is from the pits of hell, it is our responsibility to stand for truth. If the offending party gets mad, so be it. Truth hurts.{/i]
That's exactly why we attack the KJVO myth with the TRUTH. I still wonder why a BAPTIST falls for a false doctrine started by a 7TH DAY ADVENTIST.


Look at Calvary. Also, the devil has already lied about the word of God, just look at all the versions out there, some are more confused today that ever.

There were quite a few versions in use throughout the English-speaking world in 1612, and there'd been more if there'd been more people and modern printing equipment.

Do you not believe that the devil would not try and create his bible, why he has his own ministers, false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. Do you think he is going to wait for the tribulation period to do this, I think not, it's here today and it's been here.

The KJVO myth is certainly his work. While it won't affect the seasoned believer directly, it WILL hinder his/her work for Christ by causing the lost or the neophyte to have doubts about the Bibles God has provided for them if it isn't the KJV.

You're yet another of those who advocates the KJVO myth without being able to provide any evidence to support it, or to tell us by whose authority you advocate it.

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by robycop3:
Homebound:When someone starts preaching a doctrine that is from the pits of hell, it is our responsibility to stand for truth. If the offending party gets mad, so be it. Truth hurts.{/i]
That's exactly why we attack the KJVO myth with the TRUTH. I still wonder why a BAPTIST falls for a false doctrine started by a 7TH DAY ADVENTIST.


Look at Calvary. Also, the devil has already lied about the word of God, just look at all the versions out there, some are more confused today that ever.

There were quite a few versions in use throughout the English-speaking world in 1612, and there'd been more if there'd been more people and modern printing equipment.

Do you not believe that the devil would not try and create his bible, why he has his own ministers, false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. Do you think he is going to wait for the tribulation period to do this, I think not, it's here today and it's been here.

The KJVO myth is certainly his work. While it won't affect the seasoned believer directly, it WILL hinder his/her work for Christ by causing the lost or the neophyte to have doubts about the Bibles God has provided for them if it isn't the KJV.

You're yet another of those who advocates the KJVO myth without being able to provide any evidence to support it, or to tell us by whose authority you advocate it.

What authority do you use to tell me that I'm wrong?

 

[Pastor Larry]

What faith?

In the context of my post (which you usually ignore like you do the context of Scripture), the faith was the faith of believers who believe that they cannot trust God's word because it is not the KJV. Your teaching is causing these little ones to stumble.

You have no faith in God's word.

Yes I do. You know that. You deliberately said something that was untrue.

If you believed something today and tomorrow some idiot digs up a MSS and says that it is the word of God, you'll believe it.

Idiots don't dig up manuscripts. Most manuscripts are discovered by archaeologists, historians, and churchmen. And if they find an ancient manuscript that is God's word, yes I will believe it.

Why?

Because it is God's word.

God did what he said in Psalm 12,

We firmly believe that ... but you don't believe that what Psalm 12 says is what God says. In Psalm 12, God said he would preserve the godly man. We firmly believe that. Beyond that, and apart from Psalm 12, we believe that God preserved his word.

Try using that faith you speak of and put it on something that has a firm foundation, the King James Bible.[/qutoe]I have fiath in the KJV.

The reason most people don't like the King James Bible is because it puts them in their place, it tells it like it is.

Actually most Christians don't like it particularly because it is hard to read. Most people don't like it for the same reason they don't like hte NASB, NIV, and others ... becuase it is God's word

It tells you that you are going to HELL not hades.

Scripture says "hades." Get out your Greek and look it up.

It says things are an abomination unto the Lord not detestable.

Two words which mean the same thing, as you were already shown.

This is just me, but if I didn't know better, I would thing that the modern version writers were sodomites. After all, they didn't like using that in the NIV now did they.

You do know better but you have chosen to reject the truth in favor of your manmade doctrine.

The NIV did not use the word sodomite. But they used the word homosexual one more time than the KJV did. Does that make the NIV stronger on homosexuality than the KJV? No ... They are both equally strong. The NIV soundly condemns homosexuality. To say otherwise is a blatant lie.

You have been exposed to the truth time and time again. But your mind has been deceived by well meaning but mislead men who do not understand the Scriptures. You have listened to false teachesr on this issue. You need to repent from that and come to the truth of God's word because his truth is what is important. Your personal opinions and my personal opinions do not matter one little bit. Your tirades here do nothing but harden your heart against the truth of Scripture. Please don't continue down that road.

 

[Precepts]

Call what you say is a homosexual a "sodomite" and you will see the difference.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Call what you say is a homosexual a "sodomite" and you will see the difference[/quote][/qb]If you look in your dictionary, you will find that not all sodomites are homosexuals, and not all homosexuals are sodomites. What Scriptures condemns is same sex intimacy. That may include sodomy or it may not. This is not a discussion that should be necessary. This should be common knowledge. It is abundantly clear that the NIV condemns homosexuality.

 

[jshurley04]

Originally posted by robycop3:
That's exactly why we attack the KJVO myth with the TRUTH. I still wonder why a BAPTIST falls for a false doctrine started by a 7TH DAY ADVENTIST.

robycop3
This is not a challenge, rather an opportunity for me to learn about something you stated so that I may educate myself.
The fact that KJVO was started by a 7th Day Adventist is new to me. I would like to be able to research your source so that I may strengthen my stand. If it is a 7th Day teaching then that puts a new spin on things.
I have always been under the impression that this is a Ruckman based heresy (who is a Baptist and does awesome chalk drawings). If he fell into this from somewhere else then it absolutely binds us to research this fact and call it as it is if it is true. If it is true then this can be nothing less than a watering down of doctrinal distictives.

Thanks