It is not in the bible !

[Yeshua1]

How did you folks ended up talking about Mary and all these other things from the question on this thread?
By the way it seems that no one even checked the actual words of Jesus in John 3:3 He did not say to Nicodemus he had to be born again or to us as in "we" He said "Except a man be born again," That applies to all. For clarification: the word "man" is someone or anyone in Greek "Τις".

The poster seems to want to convince us to rejoin church of rome!

 

[takor]

Also, in verse 7 Jesus tells him "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" Ye is for plural you in the Greek. On free translation it should read: "Don't marvel that I told you (singular) that all of you (Plural) must be born again".... so, again, it includes everyone.

 

[takor]

The poster seems to want to convince us to rejoin church of rome!

I am NOT going Back!!!

 

[Yeshua1]

I am NOT going Back!!!

Good, for the Lord commands us to get out of there and be separate from them!

 

[takor]

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,

 

[Rob_BW]

How did you folks ended up talking about Mary and all these other things from the question on this thread?
By the way it seems that no one even checked the actual words of Jesus in John 3:3 He did not say to Nicodemus he had to be born again or to us as in "we" He said "Except a man be born again," That applies to all. For clarification: the word "man" is someone or anyone in Greek "Τις".

Did you even read the opening post? The second question was about Mary.

 

[Happy]

what you have said is in the bible right enough but what I have said is not - slipshod interpretation is the cause of division, divergence, differences, disputes, confusion etc - wincam

There is only one valid Spiritual interpretation of Gods Word, which is; Gods Truth and Understanding.
It is the Spirit of God who gives a born again man, His Understanding.

Why is it believed and accepted that Jesus said 'we must be born again'?

Because births occur because of a "seed".
All natural men are born of "natural seeds", called sperm.
All men WHO are submitted in faithfulness unto God, become born of Gods "spiritual seed", called Christ.

Without a "death" of the old "thing" (ie mans natural spirit), and "birth" of the new "thing", (mans spiritual spirit); such man CAN NOT communicate with God, OR have ever lasting life, OR enter into Gods earthly Kingdom.

John.3

1. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

1Cor.15

1. [36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Rom.6

1. [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Mary ~

Mark 6

[3] Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?

 

[steaver]

When someone comes on here, who registered as a Christian, and denies the rebirth, they should be instantly banned for not being Christian. There is no way anyone here is going to convince them of their error, only the Holy Spirit if it be that they humble themselves and seek the truth.

 

[Iconoclast]

1/ why is it believed and accepted that Jesus said 'we must be born again'

2/ that Mary had children other than Jesus

it is not in the bible..........sola scripture - wincam

If your bible has mark 6 in it, you will find this-

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?' -- and they were being stumbled at him.

 

[utilyan]

Well, speaking of things that aren't in the bible, where do I find perpetual virginity?

Who's Jesus?

 

[utilyan]

Actually, I agree witht he Holy Spirit and with Jesus, as hold to what the Bible teaches us, while Church of Rome is an apostate church!

Well when and who did they apostate from?


There is a reason your called REFORMERS and PROTESTANT, implying there is a original that needs fixing or protesting against.


You don't run around protesting and reforming Buddhist or Muslims.


1.2 billion Catholics got it wrong.

But my independent Baptist church of 30 folks pastored by my uncle bob who got ordained through fingerhut is the infallible interpretation of the bible.

What's the name of your denomination again? Everybody here disagrees yet swears they infallibly got it right..

 

[JonShaff]

Well when and who did they apostate from?


There is a reason your called REFORMERS and PROTESTANT, implying there is a original that needs fixing or protesting against.


You don't run around protesting and reforming Buddhist or Muslims.


1.2 billion Catholics got it wrong.

But my independent Baptist church of 30 folks pastored by my uncle bob who got ordained through fingerhut is the infallible interpretation of the bible.

What's the name of your denomination again? Everybody here disagrees yet swears they infallibly got it right..

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[wincam]

If your bible has mark 6 in it, you will find this-

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?' -- and they were being stumbled at him.

Mark 6 does not say Mary had children other than Jesus

 

[wincam]

When someone comes on here, who registered as a Christian, and denies the rebirth, they should be instantly banned for not being Christian. There is no way anyone here is going to convince them of their error, only the Holy Spirit if it be that they humble themselves and seek the truth.

imho it is unforgiveable blasphemy to put words into the mouth of Jesus or deceive by adding to the bible - wincam

 

[Revmitchell]

deleted post

Please make clear exactly what you are saying is not in the Bible.

 

[utilyan]

The poster seems to want to convince us to rejoin church of rome!

"Rejoin" huh? At least you admit YOU LEFT.

 

[utilyan]

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

John 14
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.


Look in your church when there is a disagreement how you handle it? Leave and make another church.

Romans 16

17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.



We never left anything. Fact I'm the best example of "Faith Alone" you could only dream of. Faith and split is not faith alone. Faith and start another church that's is not faith alone.


The church was started by Jesus Christ. Its not our Job to start new churches.

Matthew 18

15“If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16“But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18“Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.


When we get together the church settles disputes of doctrine. There is no option to leave an start something new. If on every disagreement one left to start a new church we get the mess we have now. If your church came from another you got to go back and if they came from another they have to go back and keep going back. Till you arrive at the church Jesus Christ started.

This is also the only way you will ever see "faith alone" in action. Division and breaking is not faith alone.

 

[JonShaff]

John 14
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.


Look in your church when there is a disagreement how you handle it? Leave and make another church.

Romans 16

17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.



We never left anything. Fact I'm the best example of "Faith Alone" you could only dream of. Faith and split is not faith alone. Faith and start another church that's is not faith alone.


The church was started by Jesus Christ. Its not our Job to start new churches.

Matthew 18

15“If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16“But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18“Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.


When we get together the church settles disputes of doctrine. There is no option to leave an start something new. If on every disagreement one left to start a new church we get the mess we have now. If your church came from another you got to go back and if they came from another they have to go back and keep going back. Till you arrive at the church Jesus Christ started.

This is also the only way you will ever see "faith alone" in action. Division and breaking is not faith alone.

You sorta make good use of the scriptures you quoted, however, the problem is not that "your church split off", the problem is that your church was infiltrated with idolatry and pagan worship thus being corrupted.

 

[annsni]

Mark 6 does not say Mary had children other than Jesus

Of course it does and very clearly.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Matthew 18

15“If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16“But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18“Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

People did all these things back in the Middle Ages and got tortured by the Inquisition and burned at the stake for their pains.
That is why Christians now treat the Church of Rome as 'Gentiles and tax Collectors.' That is, we preach the Gospel to them.