It's that blasted flag's fault

[kyredneck]

Mitt Romney Urges South Carolina to Take Down Confederate Flag

"In the wake of the recent shooting at a historic African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston, S.C., 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has urged that state to take down the Confederate flag flying at the state’s capitol in Columbia.

In a tweet, Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, wrote:

"Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol. To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred. Remove it now to honor #Charleston victims."..."

Obama thinks Confederate flag 'belongs in a museum'

"President Obama believes the Confederate flag “belongs in a museum,” the White House said Friday amid calls for it to be taken down, following a mass shooting in South Carolina.

“The president has said before he believes the Confederate flag belongs in a museum, and that is still his position,” spokesman Eric Schultz told reporters aboard Air Force One.

A mass shooting at a historic African-American church in Charleston, S.C., has renewed the debate over whether the Confederate battle flag should continue to fly in the state...."


...for the first time, something I agree with from this nut:

Lindsey Graham on Charleston shooter: 'It's him ... not the flag'

"South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham blames 21-year-old Dylann Roof, the man who shot and killed nine African Americans praying in Charleston, for his actions, and the presidential hopeful doesn't want the Confederate flag to be used as an excuse.

"We're not going to give this a guy an excuse about a book he might have read or a movie he watched or a song he listened to or a symbol out anywhere. It's him ... not the flag," the Republican senator told CNN's "New Day" Alisyn Camerota....."

 

[carpro]

The confederate batle flag is part of our history as a nation. History can't be revised by hiding it.

Graham finally said something with which I agree. :applause:

 

[Baptist Believer]

Russell Moore of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty commission addresses the issue:

White Christians ought to think about what that flag says to our African-American brothers and sisters in Christ, especially in the aftermath of yet another act of white supremacist terrorism against them. The gospel frees us from scrapping for our “heritage” at the expense of others. As those in Christ, this descendant of Confederate veterans has more in common with a Nigerian Christian than I do with a non-Christian white Mississippian who knows the right use of “y’all” and how to make sweet tea.

None of us is free from a sketchy background, and none of our backgrounds is wholly evil. The blood of Jesus has ransomed us all “from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers” (1 Pet. 1:18), whether your forefathers were Yankees, rebels, Vikings, or whatever. We can give gratitude for where we’ve come from, without perpetuating symbols of pretend superiority over others.

The Apostle Paul says that we should not prize our freedom to the point of destroying those for whom Christ died. We should instead “pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding” (Rom. 14:19). The Confederate Battle Flag may mean many things, but with those things it represents a defiance against abolition and against civil rights. The symbol was used to enslave the little brothers and sisters of Jesus, to bomb little girls in church buildings, to terrorize preachers of the gospel and their families with burning crosses on front lawns by night.

That sort of symbolism is out of step with the justice of Jesus Christ. The cross and the Confederate flag cannot co-exist without one setting the other on fire. White Christians, let’s listen to our African-American brothers and sisters. Let’s care not just about our own history, but also about our shared history with them. In Christ, we were slaves in Egypt—and as part of the Body of Christ we were all slaves too in Mississippi. Let’s watch our hearts, pray for wisdom, work for justice, love our neighbors. Let’s take down that flag.

Full article

 

[Salty]

And that flag that flew over the ships that brought slaves to the United Sates should also be put into a museum.
Lets see - what country was that ....

 

[carpro]

The flag is a side issue raised by the left to take advantage of a tragedy. It had nothing at all to do with the shooting.

My suggestion to those who fall for the left's misdirection it to get over it and move on.

Nine innocent people murdered in cold blood by a racist maniac in Charleston, South Carolina, has CNN positively giddy. On top of gun control, they can now go after the Confederate Flag, which, again, had nothing to do with anything. But raising the issue does allow CNN anchors to put Republicans and conservatives into that emotional blackmail box.

 

[just-want-peace]

And that flag that flew over the ships that brought slaves to the United Sates should also be put into a museum.
Lets see - what country was that ....

A question to test the validity of those persons beliefs who condemn the Stars & Bars for "slavery"!

 

[preachinjesus]

I don't understand why a group of southerns would want to be continually reminded of their failure and defeat in a war to remove an immoral and abhorrent practice from our land...but some appear to desire to be reminded that they lost.

The Confederate Battle Flag is a pox on our land and should never fly above any capital or government building. You lost, get over it. Your flag is a symbol of opposition and racism.

The reality of that flag is that it does belong in a museum...next to the flags of other oppressive, hate filled governments we've ended.

 

[sag38]

The flag has not always flown over the SC capital. It was placed there in 1961 not as a historical flag but for other purposes much like the one that used to fly over the capital in Alabama. It was placed in the 1960's by George Wallace and again, not for historical purposes. So, the argument that it is historically flown is a fallacy. Had it been flying since the 1860's then I could see it being historical rAther than a flag of intimidation during the civil rights era. Much of the hatred of that flag was not generated from the Civil War or even from the days of slavery. It can be traced to post Civil War and the systematic abuse of African Americans after the Civil War.

 

[Salty]

... Much of the hatred of that flag was not generated from the Civil War or even from the days of slavery. It can be traced to post Civil War and the systematic abuse ....

of the Northern carpetbaggers and the constant watchdog attitude of Congress

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Mitt Romney Urges South Carolina to Take Down Confederate Flag

"In the wake of the recent shooting at a historic African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston, S.C., 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has urged that state to take down the Confederate flag flying at the state’s capitol in Columbia.

In a tweet, Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, wrote:

"Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol. To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred. Remove it now to honor #Charleston victims."..."

Obama thinks Confederate flag 'belongs in a museum'

"President Obama believes the Confederate flag “belongs in a museum,” the White House said Friday amid calls for it to be taken down, following a mass shooting in South Carolina.

“The president has said before he believes the Confederate flag belongs in a museum, and that is still his position,” spokesman Eric Schultz told reporters aboard Air Force One.

A mass shooting at a historic African-American church in Charleston, S.C., has renewed the debate over whether the Confederate battle flag should continue to fly in the state...."


...for the first time, something I agree with from this nut:

Lindsey Graham on Charleston shooter: 'It's him ... not the flag'

"South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham blames 21-year-old Dylann Roof, the man who shot and killed nine African Americans praying in Charleston, for his actions, and the presidential hopeful doesn't want the Confederate flag to be used as an excuse.

"We're not going to give this a guy an excuse about a book he might have read or a movie he watched or a song he listened to or a symbol out anywhere. It's him ... not the flag," the Republican senator told CNN's "New Day" Alisyn Camerota....."

I'll take my Confederate flag down with Mitt Romney takes his magic underwear off.

 

[poncho]

I don't understand why a group of southerns would want to be continually reminded of their failure and defeat in a war to remove an immoral and abhorrent practice from our land...but some appear to desire to be reminded that they lost.

The Confederate Battle Flag is a pox on our land and should never fly above any capital or government building. You lost, get over it. Your flag is a symbol of opposition and racism.

The reality of that flag is that it does belong in a museum...next to the flags of other oppressive, hate filled governments we've ended.

The southerners (who lost) at least had the courage to stand up to tyranny. When the south lost, we all gained a tyrannical government that seizes every opportunity to grab more money, more power and more control.

That's not something to brag about. Unless you like the idea of a big unaccountable government and the militarized police state that goes along with it.

 

[Zaac]

Russell Moore of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty commission addresses the issue:

White Christians ought to think about what that flag says to our African-American brothers and sisters in Christ, especially in the aftermath of yet another act of white supremacist terrorism against them. The gospel frees us from scrapping for our “heritage” at the expense of others. As those in Christ, this descendant of Confederate veterans has more in common with a Nigerian Christian than I do with a non-Christian white Mississippian who knows the right use of “y’all” and how to make sweet tea.

None of us is free from a sketchy background, and none of our backgrounds is wholly evil. The blood of Jesus has ransomed us all “from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers” (1 Pet. 1:18), whether your forefathers were Yankees, rebels, Vikings, or whatever. We can give gratitude for where we’ve come from, without perpetuating symbols of pretend superiority over others.

The Apostle Paul says that we should not prize our freedom to the point of destroying those for whom Christ died. We should instead “pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding” (Rom. 14:19). The Confederate Battle Flag may mean many things, but with those things it represents a defiance against abolition and against civil rights. The symbol was used to enslave the little brothers and sisters of Jesus, to bomb little girls in church buildings, to terrorize preachers of the gospel and their families with burning crosses on front lawns by night.

That sort of symbolism is out of step with the justice of Jesus Christ. The cross and the Confederate flag cannot co-exist without one setting the other on fire. White Christians, let’s listen to our African-American brothers and sisters. Let’s care not just about our own history, but also about our shared history with them. In Christ, we were slaves in Egypt—and as part of the Body of Christ we were all slaves too in Mississippi. Let’s watch our hearts, pray for wisdom, work for justice, love our neighbors. Let’s take down that flag.

Full article

Well said Russel Moore.:applause::applause:

 

[Zaac]

I don't understand why a group of southerns would want to be continually reminded of their failure and defeat in a war to remove an immoral and abhorrent practice from our land...but some appear to desire to be reminded that they lost.

It should be considered almost treasonous to fly that flag in the United States on government property.

The Confederate Battle Flag is a pox on our land and should never fly above any capital or government building. You lost, get over it. Your flag is a symbol of opposition and racism.

AMEN!!!

The reality of that flag is that it does belong in a museum...next to the flags of other oppressive, hate filled governments we've ended.

And AMEN!!!

And to keep flying it over any statehouse, capital or government building or property should be viewed as an affront to the United States.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Well said Russel Moore.:applause::applause:

I used to have so much respect for Russell Moore. I'm rapidly starting to not like him.

I wonder, by his own logic, if we should take our crosses down, out of fear that we might offend black people who have had crosses burned on their lawn.

 

[carpro]

I used to have so much respect for Russell Moore. I'm rapidly starting to not like him.

I wonder, by his own logic, if we should take our crosses down, out of fear that we might offend black people who have had crosses burned on their lawn.

Russell Moore should know, that to a Christian bathed in the gospel, trivial matters like flags mean less than nothing.

He's just trying to score points in an earthly way. He should be ashamed of weakening his witness for political gain.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I don't understand why a group of southerns would want to be continually reminded of their failure and defeat in a war to remove an immoral and abhorrent practice from our land...but some appear to desire to be reminded that they lost.

The Confederate Battle Flag is a pox on our land and should never fly above any capital or government building. You lost, get over it. Your flag is a symbol of opposition and racism.

The reality of that flag is that it does belong in a museum...next to the flags of other oppressive, hate filled governments we've ended.

You're welcome to stay up North with the rest of the trash.

 

[Zaac]

I used to have so much respect for Russell Moore. I'm rapidly starting to not like him.

I wonder, by his own logic, if we should take our crosses down, out of fear that we might offend black people who have had crosses burned on their lawn.

If your crosses are burning, then by all measure, take em down.

You seem to be trying to make a connection between the burning crosses of racism and the Cross upon which Jesus bled and died.

There isn't any connection other than the shape.

The Cross wasn't on fire when Jesus was on it.

 

[Zaac]

Russell Moore should know, that to a Christian bathed in the gospel, trivial matters like flags mean less than nothing.

Russel Moore should know that to Christians who try to hide their racism behind the Cross that flags mean more than people. Otherwise so-called Christians wouldn't be parading around in support of a flag symbolizing the systemic murder and lynching and hanging and raping and enslavement of a group of people.

Why aren't these same folks flying flags with swastikas on them?

 

[Alcott]

It should be considered almost treasonous to fly that flag in the United States on government property.

Alright, but should it be treasonous to fly "native American" flags and display their symbols on government property? They fought the U.S. government, fired at the 'stars & strips,' killed or captured and tortured many civilians and troops.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

If your crosses are burning, then by all measure, take em down.

Then let him make that argument.

You seem to be trying to make a connection between the burning crosses of racism and the Cross upon which Jesus bled and died.

The only people who would think that's the connection I'm making are morons.

I'm merely pointing out that Moore's argument, when applied to other areas, is illogical.