Context would be your friend in understanding this passage.
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Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated
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SavedByGrace
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Please show me the word SALVATION in Romans chapter 9
Reformed1689
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You realize Romans 9 isn't separate from the rest of the book right?
Just keep reading on and in Romans 10, you get to the word saved. The entire book of Romans revolves around salvation.
Translators put in the chapter separations. Paul did not put them there.
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SavedByGrace
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You have to learn about CONTEXT and chapter 10 is not the CONTEXT of verses in the middle of chapter 9!
Because you can't answer from the CONTEXT that you are trying to force your THEORY
Reformed1689
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This is seriously one of the most asinine posts I have ever read on this site.
If that is what you think, I will just have to let you think you are right. Not in an arguing mood today.
Eternally Grateful
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Mal 1:
1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel ]by Malachi.
Israel Beloved of God
2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord.
“Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’
Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?”
Says the Lord.
“Yet Jacob I have loved;
3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”
4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.
This was written down by Malichi, the last prophet. about 600 years before the NT. Jacob and Esau the men born of Isaac where long since dead.
Paul was not talking about two kids in Romans 9. He was referencing the nation of Israel. and how it was born nit according to mans tradition.
1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel ]by Malachi.
Israel Beloved of God
2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord.
“Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’
Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?”
Says the Lord.
“Yet Jacob I have loved;
3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”
4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.
This was written down by Malichi, the last prophet. about 600 years before the NT. Jacob and Esau the men born of Isaac where long since dead.
Paul was not talking about two kids in Romans 9. He was referencing the nation of Israel. and how it was born nit according to mans tradition.
No
Go to Romans 8. Paul is addressing election and how the people of the promise are the Israel of God. He is harkening back to his statement in Romans 2 where he says a Jew is not a Jew by physical circumcision.
EG, you are working hard to make Paul say something he is not saying. I suggest you take an hour and read Paul's argument in justification by faith, which starts at Romans 1 and ends at Romans 11. It is an amazing work of brilliant debate laid out for the reader to see. In this argument Paul has something near 70 quotes from the Old Testament scriptures so you can see his train of thought and his references. You are really missing Paul's point.