Jail for parents (sounds like prophesy about child against a parent)

[Two Wings]

It says that the spirit of antichrist has always been around.

that's true ... and it's also true The Word tells of a MAN, an individual, who will be The Antichrist exercising the unholy parallel to Jesus on earth ... hence the name/title ... for a time.

As Christians, we have no fear of death.

right again ... just don't make me uncomfortable. (tic)

The opposition to the gospel may be greater here in this land of "babylon" but the Church is marching onward.

without a doubt. One of the greatest blessings this nation has afforded its citizens has also made it easy to be blind to the need of a savior. That whole rich man/camel/needle eye deal. The things of the world. Are we ready to be weaned from all of this? I like to say I am ... now in the post challenge for my career job ... but I know I'll fight to keep what I have as long as I can, too. But see, I don't love my job unto death, AC. I've been given the understanding of whom I am to trust ... from the beginning of this pestilence. I won't tell you whom you are to trust only in Whom I trust.

... then the extension to that commitment is the actual passage of Rev 12: (11?) .... overcame by the Blood of The Lamb and the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives unto death. e.g. lose it to save it.

This is what I've been taught in this pestilence. I recognize you disagree and that's fine for you. Perhaps you'll be one of the legitimate few who play with snakes and drink poison. But few is necessary because that activity reveals God's power over those things. If everyone does it, it's not unique.

 

[Salty]

There have been hundreds of "guesses" of when the rapture will happen.
I suppose it comes under "The boy who cried wolf"

Here are a few:Predictions and claims for the Second Coming - Wikipedia

 

[AustinC]

There have been hundreds of "guesses" of when the rapture will happen.
I suppose it comes under "The boy who cried wolf"

Here are a few:Predictions and claims for the Second Coming - Wikipedia

There will be thousands more.

 

[Two Wings]

There have been hundreds of "guesses" of when the rapture will happen.
I suppose it comes under "The boy who cried wolf"

Here are a few:Predictions and claims for the Second Coming - Wikipedia

So we're gonna dismiss Daniel's timeline for the Second Coming ... because there have been hundreds of other predictions ... which aren't based directly in the Word of God?

I do not seek to be argumentative, Salty. If ya reject Daniel 12's pointing to the year 2026/27 ...I'm not offended by that. But with all due respect, it needs to be based upon something other than "a bunch of others were wrong" That's what the Pharisees were saying ... and they knew they were in the very year of Messiah's being cut-off even as they were conspiring to murder Jesus.

How'd they know that? Daniel 9.

 

[Salty]

I'll let you know in Jan 1, 2028 !

 

[dad2]

I'm not sure evil was called good. it was just evil and everyone knew it.

Right, nowadays it does seem that evil is the normal, and called good.

 

[dad2]

It says that the spirit of antichrist has always been around.
At present Christianity is growing in China at rates that are greater than the early church.
As Christians, we have no fear of death. What can man do to us? The opposition to the gospel may be greater here in this land of "babylon" but the Church is marching onward.

Yes and soon upward. That is what happens in the end.

 

[AustinC]

Yes and soon upward. That is what happens in the end.

Only if you are a pretrib dispensationalist, which I am not. The pretrib rapture is a manufactured event from really poor hermeneutics.

 

[Two Wings]

Only if you are a pretrib dispensationalist, which I am not. The pretrib rapture is a manufactured event from really poor hermeneutics.

nah ..... it works for post-trib/Pre Wrath of The Lamb too.

no harmonica required, though it would be cool.

 

[Reynolds]

Dont be setting any dates - could be another 500 years.......

Jesus said soon, so if it was soon then, it's definitely sooner now.

 

[dad2]

Only if you are a pretrib dispensationalist, which I am not. The pretrib rapture is a manufactured event from really poor hermeneutics.

Well, let me warn you to flee the wrath that is to come. Not just the tail end of it. That is not our party. Our party is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The only way we can escape what God is going to dish out is for Him to get us out of this mess. The devil made his move and people seem to be so impressed. God is about to make His check and mate soon.

Did you think Jesus came back with us His saints, and wore His war clothes and came to wreak vengeance was when we got Raptured in the air to be forever with Him?

Rev 19:
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

You have conflated times and events and then accused others of having bad hermanutics.

 

[Two Wings]

Well, let me warn you to flee the wrath that is to come. Not just the tail end of it. That is not our party. Our party is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The only way we can escape what God is going to dish out is for Him to get us out of this mess. The devil made his move and people seem to be so impressed. God is about to make His check and mate soon.

I agree, dad2 ... but let's not confuse God's wrath for the Dragon's wrath. The church will definitely still be in this world but not of it for the Dragon's wrath ... that up to 3.5 year period of Jacob's troubles. (Cut short for the elect)

There's a 7 year period on earth whereby the remnant of Israel is doing as their ancestors did; "clean up the place" ... using the "bows and arrows" (e.g. Tanks, Helicopters, aircraft) fuel "for 7 years."

During this period in Heaven is the Marriage Supper and Bema Seat.

all after Jesus' Second Coming.

 

[dad2]

I agree, dad2 ... but let's not confuse God's wrath for the Dragon's wrath. The church will definitely still be in this world but not of it for the Dragon's wrath ... that up to 3.5 year period of Jacob's troubles. (Cut short for the elect)

There's a 7 year period on earth whereby the remnant of Israel is doing as their ancestors did; "clean up the place" ... using the "bows and arrows" (e.g. Tanks, Helicopters, aircraft) fuel "for 7 years."

During this period in Heaven is the Marriage Supper and Bema Seat.

all after Jesus' Second Coming.

That still leaves us here for part of the wrath. The worst part of that wrath is of course at the very end. However, all the vials are part of His wrath. Even the devil's wrath is part of His wrath, because He allows it. It is not Satan that sends those hailstones, or turns water to blood, or burns up the trees and grass etc.

 

[Two Wings]

That still leaves us here for part of the wrath. The worst part of that wrath is of course at the very end. However, all the vials are part of His wrath. Even the devil's wrath is part of His wrath, because He allows it. It is not Satan that sends those hailstones, or turns water to blood, or burns up the trees and grass etc.

hmm. This tracks into the free will predestination discussion, then. If we are not appointed to wrath (and there's no difference between Satan's and God's because God owns what Satan does?) ... then what are we doing here now? There's plenty of wrath being doled-out against Christians world-wide. We're still asleep here in the States, comfortable with our secular government style upon the Bride of Christ.

I haven't quite understood the bowls pouring-out time period post Second Coming, but I understand that is when the bowl judgments occur ... AFTER Armageddon that Christ finishes. Until then, that moment, the Dragon is wailing on the Church after he gets rejected in the Temple by the high priest; who gains the knowledge "you're not God" from the recent visit by the Triune God and he sees Jesus himself. "Shazam, Caiaphas DID kill the Messiah that year Daniel prophesied!"

 

[Revmitchell]

hmm. This tracks into the free will predestination discussion, then. If we are not appointed to wrath (and there's no difference between Satan's and God's because God owns what Satan does?) ... then what are we doing here now? There's plenty of wrath being doled-out against Christians world-wide. We're still asleep here in the States, comfortable with our secular government style upon the Bride of Christ.

I haven't quite understood the bowls pouring-out time period post Second Coming, but I understand that is when the bowl judgments occur ... AFTER Armageddon that Christ finishes. Until then, that moment, the Dragon is wailing on the Church after he gets rejected in the Temple by the high priest; who gains the knowledge "you're not God" from the recent visit by the Triune God and he sees Jesus himself. "Shazam, Caiaphas DID kill the Messiah that year Daniel prophesied!"

There are no bowls postvsecond coming

 

[Two Wings]

There are no bowls postvsecond coming

how long do you understand the pouring of the bowls to take? (not a setup question. sincere)

 

[AustinC]

Well, let me warn you to flee the wrath that is to come. Not just the tail end of it. That is not our party. Our party is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The only way we can escape what God is going to dish out is for Him to get us out of this mess. The devil made his move and people seem to be so impressed. God is about to make His check and mate soon.

Did you think Jesus came back with us His saints, and wore His war clothes and came to wreak vengeance was when we got Raptured in the air to be forever with Him?

Rev 19:
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

You have conflated times and events and then accused others of having bad hermanutics.

Why flee?
The King is coming to destroy the wicked. He has given us a task to be a light and not hide it under a bushel basket.
Do you fear death? If so, why? What can man do to the child of God? We follow our King to the cross if that is His will for us.
Our brothers in Communist and Muslim countries die daily for the faith. They do not flee. We are not a people of fleeing. We are a people who march forward with the gospel of life.
Read Revelation. God has placed a mark on us. His angels go out to harvest the unmarked and the people marked with the beast for everlasting fire.
Be not afraid.

 

[Revmitchell]

how long do you understand the pouring of the bowls to take? (not a setup question. sincere)

honestly your question is irrelevant to what I said. After His second coming then comes the Millennium. Bowls are His wrath. Are you conflating the rapture with the second coming?

 

[dad2]

hmm. This tracks into the free will predestination discussion, then. If we are not appointed to wrath (and there's no difference between Satan's and God's because God owns what Satan does?) ... then what are we doing here now? There's plenty of wrath being doled-out against Christians world-wide. We're still asleep here in the States, comfortable with our secular government style upon the Bride of Christ.

I haven't quite understood the bowls pouring-out time period post Second Coming, but I understand that is when the bowl judgments occur ... AFTER Armageddon that Christ finishes. Until then, that moment, the Dragon is wailing on the Church after he gets rejected in the Temple by the high priest; who gains the knowledge "you're not God" from the recent visit by the Triune God and he sees Jesus himself. "Shazam, Caiaphas DID kill the Messiah that year Daniel prophesied!"

There is a difference between God's wrath and Satan's. Just as there is a difference between a candle and a nuclear bomb. However since God sends the demons and Satan to earth for a certain time, that is all part of His wrath. Any anger from Satan today is minor compared to when he gets banished down to earth. At that time he lives here and knows his time is short, and does his damnest to kill Christians and Jews and destroy the earth etc.

I view the bowls as the final part of the Tribulation just before He returns. In military terms we might think of it as 'softening them up' for the final kill. Jesus returns and takes the final vengeance, destroying all His enemies (and the enemies of Israel at the time, since they get saved). I don't know anything about this devil being rejected by some priest business. There is war in heaven and the bum gets permanently cast out of all heavenly realms. (I take that to mean mostly what we think of as outer space or the universe, where the stars are) The demons are released also from below in the bottomless pit. It will be no joke here, and no mistaking what is going on by believers. (not the Raptured church/Bride, but the new folks getting saved in that last seven years)

 

[dad2]

Why flee?

He is our strong tower to which we flee. WE go to Him because He will call!

The King is coming to destroy the wicked. He has given us a task to be a light and not hide it under a bushel basket.
Do you fear death? If so, why? What can man do to the child of God? We follow our King to the cross if that is His will for us.

Our task here ends when we go up.

Our brothers in Communist and Muslim countries die daily for the faith. They do not flee.

There will be no way to flee and nowhere to flee. The only way out is Jesus taking us up in the air to be with Him. That is how we will flee here.

God has placed a mark on us. His angels go out to harvest the unmarked and the people marked with the beast for everlasting fire.
Be not afraid.

That harvest is in the very end, after the 1000 years as far as I can tell. That is when all the dead are judged and the second death.