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Jeremiah 29:11

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Sakrysta

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When that question is posed to me, I tell them that God does not hate you, as a matter of fact, God has thoughts of peace toward you, not evil.
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Why not point them toward verses that actually apply to them? There are TONS of verses that tell us God loves us and Christ died for us. If you offer the promise of Jeremiah 29:11 just to any average unbeliever, you are misapplying the verse. That promise isn't for unbelievers. It isn't even primarily for believers, though the principles are there for believers elsewhere in Scripture, and the verse expresses those promises beautifully. We don't assume God has promised to give us land in Israel, or to make our descendants as numerous as the sand of the sea, just because those promises are in the Bible. They were directed at specific people or groups. SO WAS THIS ONE.

Why automatically assume that the new version is wrong and the old version is right when you find an possible descrepancy? To me, the sensible course would seem to be personal study to see why the two verses differ. I'd start by pulling out my concordance and finding out what the Hebrew words actually mean. If I was still confused, I'd either check out a few commentaries or ask my pastor.

But neither version presents error in this verse, and this hypothetical "average joe" who picked up the Bible and read the verse would not read anything wrong about God whether he read the King James Version or the New International Version.
 
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manchester

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For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD , "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (NIV)

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. (KJB)
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My question is, why does the KJV just completely destroy this great truth and tell them that God has "thoughts of peace" and conceal God's promise to prosper them i.e., to be successful or fortunate, esp. financially. It kinda sounds like those liberal anti-war peaceniks who oppose any form of violence, even righteous violence. This is totally the opposite of what the NIV says and this is why I continue to believe in the NIV.

God bless,
Manch
 
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RaptureReady

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There you have it, at least you said why.

One is right, one is wrong. I believe the KJB is right and the NIV is wrong. If the NIV is right, then all Christians would have a prosperous life and that is not so, trust me I know.

But I do know that God does not hate me. Why? Because the KJB says so. I'd rather have thoughts of peace from God than a prosperous life. Isn't that what all the TV guys are telling you, "give your love gift and God will bless you my child." What a bunch of hogwash. They obviously got this idea from the NIV.

The one destroying the truth is the NIV, not the KJB.

God bless,
RR
 
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Ransom

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RaptureReady said:

But I do know that God does not hate me. Why? Because the KJB says so. I'd rather have thoughts of peace from God than a prosperous life.

So for you, what is true is whatever gives you the warmest fuzzy?
 
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RaptureReady

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No, what gives me a warmest fuzzy is finding a truth in God's word and not in the other versions, therefore proofing that they are not inspired from God.

God bless,
RR
 
AVL1984

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Actually, RR, that's not proof at all..it's called "feeling". It has nothing to do with whether or not the MV's are the word of God. It also may have something to do with preference or programming.
 
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natters

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RR said "One is right, one is wrong. I believe the KJB is right and the NIV is wrong. If the NIV is right, then all Christians would have a prosperous life and that is not so, trust me I know."

CONTEXT. The verse is not a promise to Christians in general! You can't say the NIV is in error in this verse because ripping it out of context and trying to make it a global promise to Christians today sounds better with your personal interpretation of the comparison between the NIV and KJV. CONTEXT.
 
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Johnv

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Originally posted by RaptureReady:
No, what gives me a warmest fuzzy is finding a truth in God's word and not in the other versions, therefore proofing that they are not inspired from God.
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More single-translation-only false doctrine garbage, which is not scripturally supportable.
 
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TC

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The one destroying the truth is the NIV, not the KJB.
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No, the one destroying the truth is the one pulling the verse out of context to make it say something that the person wants it to say.
 
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Exile

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I've always been reluctant to apply Jeremiah 29:11 directly to my personal situation, due to the rather specific nature of the promise (i.e., to comfort the dispersed Jews). That God has a loving plan and purpose for me is certainly true, but that truth is supported by more general assurances elsewhere in Scripture.
 
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Johnv

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Exile, that's what we call differentiating between "what does scripture say" and "what is scripture telling you personally". Jer 29:11 is a good example of that.
 
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Ransom

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Exile said:

I've always been reluctant to apply Jeremiah 29:11 directly to my personal situation, due to the rather specific nature of the promise (i.e., to comfort the dispersed Jews).

Jeremiah 29 is a letter to the exiles. It says, basically, "I'm going to keep my promise to you, but in the meantime, build a house and settle down and pray that Babylon prospers, because you ain't getting out of there for another 70 years, and if any 'prophet' says otherwise, he's a charlatan."

'Tain't the warm fuzzy you usually hear it quoted as.

RaptureReady's non-argument against the NIV falls flat because he's missed the point of the whole passage.
 
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Ed Edwards

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RaptureReady: "I had not idea where in the Bible it came from, so I looked into another book, the NIV."

You quoted this
Jeremiah 29:11 (KJV1769):

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you,
saith the LORD, thoughts of peace,
and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

You said it was in the KJB (King James Bible).
I looked in the real King James Version (before it
was changed by unauthorized persons, while it
was still the authorized version); I looked
in the real King James Bible before the
1769 Modern Version was developed.
The real King James Bible says:

Ieremiah XXIX.11 (KJV1611):

For I knowe the thoughts that
I thinke towards you , saith the
LORD, thoughts of peace , and not
of euill, to giue you an +expected end.

Sidenote: + Hebr. ende and expectation.

I note that the real King James Bible shows there
is a textual difference in the sources
available in this verse.
 
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Phillip

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The Revised Standard version might help bridge the gap between the two correct translations:

11 For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. RSV
 
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RaptureReady

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Why not just thoughts of peace? Why does it have to be about prosperity and welfare? Why not take comfort in that God has thoughts of peace toward you and I?

I'll tell you why, the devil. The devil has changed the bible so much that it completely takes away from what God is saying.

God bless,
RR
 
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TC

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Why not just thoughts of peace? Why does it have to be about prosperity and welfare? Why not take comfort in that God has thoughts of peace toward you and I?
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Why do you continue to pull the passage out of context and apply it to yourself. Isn't Jesus's promise (in the NT) of giving you peace enough for you?

I'll tell you why, the devil. The devil has changed the bible so much that it completely takes away from what God is saying.
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No, in GA's terms, they are pure synonyms.
 
robycop3

robycop3

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Jeremiah 29, KJV: 8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

Same verses, NIV: 8 Yes, this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: "Do not let the prophets and diviners among you deceive you. Do not listen to the dreams you encourage them to have. 9 They are prophesying lies to you in my name. I have not sent them," declares the LORD .
10 This is what the LORD says: "When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my gracious promise to bring you back to this place. 11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD , "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you.

They say the same things. And they are specific for the Jews then in exile in the land of Babylon.This is just another KJVO cheap trick, ripping a verse out of context to try to justify the KJVO myth...just another feather glued onto a hippo which still won't fly.
 
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Ransom

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RaptureReady said:

I'll tell you why, the devil. The devil has changed the bible so much that it completely takes away from what God is saying.

Great! Hail Satan, and pass the NIV!
 
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