Jerry Walls Refuting Calvinistic Soteriology

[SavedByGrace]

but rather God’s stated desire that all turn from wickedness and accept Him. None did. Romans clearly state that none seek after God, all have turned astray.

question. God knows all things, right? Then WHY would He desire the salvation of all the wicked, regardless of whether they accept Him of not? WHY would He even ask them to turn from their wicked ways and seek salvation, IF as you think, that Jesus only died for the "elect"? Surely this makes God insincerein what He desires, as He knows full well that He will not "draw" the ALL to Himself? This is exactly what Jerry is saying in the clip, that Calvinisim makes God out to be a liar!

 

[canadyjd]

Thanks for presenting several of the bogus arguments used to defend false doctrine.

First the claim is made that people were unable to comply with part of the law because of total spiritual inability. But the rich young ruler had kept part of the Law, and this fact was acknowledged by Christ. In Matthew 19:21 Jesus does not deny the person had kept some of the commandments, but told his he had to do more to be complete. Thus Christ acknowledged the partial keeping of the Law. Therefore the Calvinist canard is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

The second claim is since God is a loving Father, he would not predetermine the lost to consignment to eternal punishment, but would justly send those without excuse to eternal punishment.

God can do as He pleases, and it pleases God to offer salvation to everyone who believes, and God has not predetermined who can believe.

Calvinism conflicts with scripture:

1) The lost would not be in the process of entering the kingdom (Matthew 23:13) if total spiritual inability were true.
2) God would not choose individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13) if unconditional election were true.
3) Christ would not have laid down His life as a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6) if Limited Atonement were true.
4) The lost entering the Kingdom would not have been prevented (Matthew 23:13) if Irresistible Grace were true.

Straw man as always. Never said they couldn’t keep “part” of the Law. That’s not the standard required by God. He required they keep all of it, perfectly, knowing they couldn’t keep all of it perfectly.

If God responds to what a person does in granting salvation, it is works salvation.

If a person response to what God has done in intervening in their lives by Holy Spirit, convicting them of the truth of the gospel and drawing them into a loving relationship with Himself, you have grace.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

If God responds to what a person does in granting salvation, it is works salvation.

see, your own strawman! Read Jonah 3:10 in the KJV, " And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."

But these "works" referred to are not what the reformed think, that "merit salvation", but, as the verse explains "THAT THEY TURNED from their evil way". These DID something, as they responded to the preching! Like when those who heard Peter on the day of Pentecost, what happened? "Men and brethren, what shall we DO?" (2:37). Peter did not say to them, "do nothing", he said, "REPENT" (verse 38). Reformed theology cannot accept the Bible for what it really says!

 

[Van]

Straw man as always. Never said they couldn’t keep “part” of the Law. That’s not the standard required by God. He required they keep all of it, perfectly, knowing they couldn’t keep all of it perfectly.

If God responds to what a person does in granting salvation, it is works salvation.

If a person response to what God has done in intervening in their lives by Holy Spirit, convicting them of the truth of the gospel and drawing them into a loving relationship with Himself, you have grace.
ce to you

On and on folks, were there any OT saints who did their best to keep the law? Of course, read Hebrews 11.
Salvation through or by reason of faith is not works, Romans 4.
Did anyone say people are not saved by grace through faith? Nope so the person posting "straw man" using "straw man" in the same post. I kid you not.

 

[canadyjd]

question. God knows all things, right? Then WHY would He desire the salvation of all the wicked, regardless of whether they accept Him of not? WHY would He even ask them to turn from their wicked ways and seek salvation, IF as you think, that Jesus only died for the "elect"? Surely this makes God insincerein what He desires, as He knows full well that He will not "draw" the ALL to Himself? This is exactly what Jerry is saying in the clip, that Calvinisim makes God out to be a liar!

Yes, God knows all things. God is omnipotent. God is not insincere in anything He does.

God would rather the wicked turn and have salvation. He would rather all respond to the gospel. They, we, all turned and rejected God. That doesn’t reflect badly on God’s character, it reflects badly on ours.

That God has mercy and doesn’t leave those He has chosen to die in sin is a testimony to His grace and His love.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

see, your own strawman! Read Jonah 3:10 in the KJV, " And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."

But these "works" referred to are not what the reformed think, that "merit salvation", but, as the verse explains "THAT THEY TURNED from their evil way". These DID something, as they responded to the preching! Like when those who heard Peter on the day of Pentecost, what happened? "Men and brethren, what shall we DO?" (2:37). Peter did not say to them, "do nothing", he said, "REPENT" (verse 38). Reformed theology cannot accept the Bible for what it really says!

It was never a question of eternal salvation.The people of Nineveh were spared an immediate destruction of their nation.

God later used them to destroy the Northern tribes of Israel.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

That God has mercy and doesn’t leave those He has chosen to die in sin is a testimony to His grace and His love

will you ever tell this when you witness to the lost, that there are only a few that God has chosen because He loves them more, and the rest He has chosen to leave to hell, because He also loves them? if the reformed do not preach this, then their "gospel" is a lie!

 

[SavedByGrace]

It was never a question of eternal salvation.The people of Nineveh were spared an immediate destruction of their nation.

God later used them to destroy the Northern tribes of Israel.

peace to you

what utter rubbish! the people TURNED FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS, which is, REPENTED OF THEIR SINS.

WHY is it so hard and painful for you guys to accept that GOD WANTS EVERY HUMAN BEING TO BE SAVED???

 

[Marooncat79]

Seriously, I have spoken with drunkards w a better understanding of God than Jerry and evil men w more respect for God

Think Im kidding around?

I spent 6 yrs preaching at the Union Rescue Mission in Mphs

 

[Aaron]

Romans 11:32, " For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all"

THE ALL refers to both Jews and Greeks, which is what the entire human race is! If you are not a Jew, then you are a Gentile.

And he fires back with irrelevant, random verses.


No matter how you slice it, the noncalvinist argument will always boil down to his unbiblical notions of justice. In one form or another, your argument will be, Why doth he yet find fault, for who hath resisted his will?

 

[SavedByGrace]

And he fires back with irrelevant, random verses.


No matter how you slice it, the noncalvinist argument will always boil down to his unbiblical notions of justice. In one form or another, your argument will be, Why doth he yet find fault, for who hath resisted his will?

“You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did." (Acts 7:51)

 

[SavedByGrace]

Seriously, I have spoken with drunkards w a better understanding of God than Jerry and evil men w more respect for God

Think Im kidding around?

I spent 6 yrs preaching at the Union Rescue Mission in Mphs

so you mean that you cannot refute what Jerry says!

 

[Aaron]

“You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did." (Acts 7:51)

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Knowing man's predisposition to carnal notions of justice, Paul anticipated your argument: Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

And, that is the crux of your argument.

Every time.

And it's the whole argument in your video. But Paul fell that with one little verse.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth

and where exactly does it say in these words, that God will have mercy on just a few? You guys just keep forcing the Scriptures to fit your silly theology!

 

[tyndale1946]

what utter rubbish! the people TURNED FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS, which is, REPENTED OF THEIR SINS.

WHY is it so hard and painful for you guys to accept that GOD WANTS EVERY HUMAN BEING TO BE SAVED???

Not in my KJV!... So what does scripture say?... Brother Glen

Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Not in my KJV!... So what does scripture say?... Brother Glen

Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

exactly WHERE does it say in this passage that Jesus only died for the elect? This is an abuse of this passage by those who hold the reformed heresy of election!

 

[Van]

If God's will is to allow people to believe fully in Christ or not, then to believe or not is according to God's will. What these Calvinists are doing is claiming God's will is to compel salvation via irresistible grace, which is false doctrine. God's justice is perfect because He allows people to believe in Christ or not. If God, as Calvinism claims, made individuals unable to believe, then punished them for not believing, God would be the God of Calvinism.

 

[Iconoclast]

He seems quite articulate and passionate about what he believes. He doesn’t, however, address any passages of scripture seen by Calvinists to support their position.

His first argument is that God wouldn’t hold people accountable for failing to do something they were unable to do.

That is clearly refuted by examining the Old Testament Law. God held Israel, as a nation, and the Jews individually, accountable for not keeping the Law even though He knew they were unable to keep the Law. By the works of the law, no flesh would be justified.

His second argument is that God wouldn’t be a loving God if He had the power to save every person but chose some and passed over others.

By making this argument, he is claiming God is not omnipotent, is not completely sovereign in His ability to rule His creation as He sees fit.

So the reality is, his argument that he wants a God that conforms to his sense of morality, of right and wrong, and will ignore all scripture that conflicts with his point of view.

Peace to you

Correct.Carnal philosophy does not refute truth.
Truth stands regardless of his emotional philosophy.

 

[Iconoclast]

His arguments show the unbiblical teaching of Calvinism on salvation. The main point being how can God be glorified in the damnation of the greater majority of His own Creation. Why would Jesus appeal to everyone to be saved if they could not be.

No validity here. We should not blame God for mans sin.God has purposed to save a multitude no one an can number.
This ungodly assertion is rejected.

 

[Iconoclast]

It should be noted one does not have to be a Calvinist to believe this!

But it certainly clarifies it.