Jerry Walls Refuting Calvinistic Soteriology

[Iconoclast]

Like you guys do with John 3.16 and 1 John 2.2 for example

We believe both verses because we know what they mean.

 

[Reformed1689]

Like you guys do with John 3.16 and 1 John 2.2 for example

How do we oppose either of those verses? We agree fully with those verses we just don't take them out of their context and purpose.

 

[Noah Hirsch]

if you read John 16, Jesus clearly says that when the Holy Spirit Comes, He will "convict the world of sin...because they do not believe in Me". All sinners need to be firstly "convicted" of their sins, and only then they can respond to the Gospel Message.

People do need to be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit in order to come to Christ and savingly receive and embrace the gospel by faith. But being convicted of sin is not the same thing as regeneration or the new birth, nor does one being convicted of his sin proof that he has any spiritual life.

It is something beyond mere conviction of sin and fear of the judgment to come that is of the nature of true conversion or of a spiritual acting upon Christ. For a man may be convicted of his sin and brought to fear that he is going to hell, and yet remain unregenerate and spiritually dead.

 

[Brightfame52]

So those who believed is because they are made to believe

Yes Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

By Gods Power working in them both to will and do of His good pleasure, they are made willing to believe in Christ.

 

[Van]

Man naturally doesnt seek God Rom 3:11 and cant seek God Jn 6:44

Jesus says many seek the narrow path that leads to life. So your claim that some of the lost never at any time seek God is unbiblical nonsense. Luke 13:23. And John 6:44 does not say no man can seek God, it says no person can "come to Me" meaning being given to Christ unless drawn (attracted by lovingkindness) by the Father.

 

[Van]

Here he goes again......"some of the time"??? Some of the time is not in any text.
Never in the bible does it say...because of....it is always by or through faith.

Notice the delusional argument, the many seek the narrow path means they never at any time seek the path. The complete denial of the obvious by those advocating Calvinism is amazing to behold.

 

[Brightfame52]

Jesus says many seek the narrow path that leads to life. So your claim that some of the lost never at any time seek God is unbiblical nonsense. Luke 13:23. And John 6:44 does not say no man can seek God, it says no person can "come to Me" meaning being given to Christ unless drawn (attracted by lovingkindness) by the Father.

If they are natural men under sin they dont seek God. Remember what is written

Prov 14:12

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[Brightfame52]

Notice the delusional argument, the many seek the narrow path means they never at any time seek the path. The complete denial of the obvious by those advocating Calvinism is amazing to behold.

That means they are not the chosen of God. Its just describing men trying to get to God on their own.

 

[Iconoclast]

If they are natural men under sin they dont seek God. Remember what is written

Prov 14:12

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

What'the problem is you actually believe you actually believe the verse says no no not one. The other post the one he looks at the verse he seems to see not only some of the time every other Tuesday when One Eyed Jacks Are Wild any kind of creative thing of a person eats broccoli first and they could see y'all could be any possibility but he doesn't see no not one no man seeks God no not one

 

[Van]

If they are natural men under sin they dont seek God. Remember what is written
Prov 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Again and again Calvinism denies the many that seek the narrow gate and the few that find the narrow gate because of their man-made bogus doctrine. Did anyone say we do not sin or the wages of sin is not death? Nope.

Luke 13:23-24, many seek the narrow gate and some, the few, find it.

 

[Van]

That means they are not the chosen of God. Its just describing men trying to get to God on their own.

Some, the few, find the narrow gate, so they were trying to find the way that leads to life, which is exactly what God commands.

 

[Yeshua1]

Again and again Calvinism denies the many that seek the narrow gate and the few that find the narrow gate because of their man-made bogus doctrine. Did anyone say we do not sin or the wages of sin is not death? Nope.

Luke 13:23-24, many seek the narrow gate and some, the few, find it.

Calvinist do not say that lost sinners never try to find God, its just that their search will never lead them to find the true God, as that is spiritually discerned!

 

[Yeshua1]

Some, the few, find the narrow gate, so they were trying to find the way that leads to life, which is exactly what God commands.

They were trying to find the lost God, but not trying to get to the real one!

 

[Van]

Calvinist do not say that lost sinners never try to find God, its just that their search will never lead them to find the true God, as that is spiritually discerned!

How could they try to find God without some spiritual ability? Once again, Calvinism is defended by denying Calvinism doctrine.

 

[Yeshua1]

How could they try to find God without some spiritual ability? Once again, Calvinism is defended by denying Calvinism doctrine.

They will seek a god of their own like, one whose way to save them is based upon behavior and good works!

 

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[Van]

They will seek a god of their own like, one whose way to save them is based upon behavior and good works!

So how come the few find the narrow gate?

 

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