Jerry Walls wicked and profane question about God

[Benjamin]

Can any created being in the ultimate sense stop the Determined Will of God to get accomplished?

Can one’s Doctrines of Determinism accomplish a teaching which claims that God gave a genuine offer of salvation by grace through faith to all His created beings while at the same time they insist some of those beings have been predetermined in creation to not be given any hope or ability to respond to that offer, and those Doctrines be seen to have the least amount of credible truth by anyone else with a sufficient amount of marbles in their head?

 

[Yeshua1]

Can one’s Doctrines of Determinism accomplish a teaching which claims that God gave a genuine offer of salvation by grace through faith to all His created beings while at the same time they insist some of those beings have been predetermined in creation to not be given any hope or ability to respond to that offer, and those Doctrines be seen to have the least amount of credible truth by anyone else with a sufficient amount of marbles in their head?

Does God HAVE to save any of us, would he not be all in His right to allow all here to be damned?

 

[Benjamin]

Does God HAVE to save any of us, would he not be all in His right to allow all here to be damned?

Is God TRUTH, did He give a genuine offer of salvation by grace through faith to ALL His created beings or not?

 

[agedman]

Can one’s Doctrines of Determinism accomplish a teaching which claims that God gave a genuine offer of salvation by grace through faith to all His created beings while at the same time they insist some of those beings have been predetermined in creation to not be given any hope or ability to respond to that offer, and those Doctrines be seen to have the least amount of credible truth by anyone else with a sufficient amount of marbles in their head?

Did not the Savior state, “If I be lifted up I will draw all men to me?”

So, such does not prevent God who has been reconciled to go into market containing all those who have been drawn and selecting from the fruits and nuts those He will mold into His benefit.

Does any nut or fruit get upset that they are not chosen? Do they have such a right and privelage to put God on inspection and judge Him as unfair?

Both OT and NT answers such a questions as being inappropriate.

 

[Iconoclast]

Can one’s Doctrines of Determinism accomplish a teaching which claims that God gave a genuine offer of salvation by grace through faith to all His created beings while at the same time they insist some of those beings have been predetermined in creation to not be given any hope or ability to respond to that offer, and those Doctrines be seen to have the least amount of credible truth by anyone else with a sufficient amount of marbles in their head?

I see your concern here Benjamin.i will work on a solution,I will lay out a way for you to enter to the teaching if God will accompany it with illumination....I will be on a keyboard soon

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

...he comes back to the BB to do what, put all opposing views on ignore? On a DEBATE forum? Who's he been hanging with that's made him so extreme?

No clue

 

[SovereignGrace]

...he comes back to the BB to do what, put all opposing views on ignore? On a DEBATE forum? Who's he been hanging with that's made him so extreme?

It’s not about opposing views, but those opposing views saying we attribute evil to God. That’s flat out wrong.

 

[utilyan]

Can any created being in the ultimate sense stop the Determined Will of God to get accomplished?

God wants you to stop sinning TODAY not TOMORROW.

God commands all mankind not to sin. This is a sincere command that expresses a sincere desire.

If the heavens part and God commands you to sit down.......I'm pretty certain its because he WANTS and DESIRES for you to sit down.

From here on out to FOREVER. God commands that you DO NOT SIN EVER AGAIN.

1. He really wants you to stop sinning NOW and FOREVER.
2. He provides you the COMPLETE capacity and FULL RIGHT to not sin ever again.


God does not have a 2nd class will made up of fake commands and fake desires. He is GOD, he is not clumsy or deceptive.

 

[utilyan]

It’s not about opposing views, but those opposing views saying we attribute evil to God. That’s flat out wrong.

Someone declares your God Evil and decided not to declares him Good. Sounds like your God's perfect example is being followed.

The saying goes TREAT others the way you want to be treated. God must want to be treated on his own election lotto.

 

[Yeshua1]

Is God TRUTH, did He give a genuine offer of salvation by grace through faith to ALL His created beings or not?

Yes he did, its Just that those who chose to stay in sin and darkness keep on freely rejecting Him!

 

[Yeshua1]

God wants you to stop sinning TODAY not TOMORROW.

God commands all mankind not to sin. This is a sincere command that expresses a sincere desire.

If the heavens part and God commands you to sit down.......I'm pretty certain its because he WANTS and DESIRES for you to sit down.

From here on out to FOREVER. God commands that you DO NOT SIN EVER AGAIN.

1. He really wants you to stop sinning NOW and FOREVER.
2. He provides you the COMPLETE capacity and FULL RIGHT to not sin ever again.


God does not have a 2nd class will made up of fake commands and fake desires. He is GOD, he is not clumsy or deceptive.

Only sinless humans make Heaven then?

 

[Yeshua1]

It’s not about opposing views, but those opposing views saying we attribute evil to God. That’s flat out wrong.

They equate God having the final say as being wrong, as that violates the golden goose of "free will"

 

[Yeshua1]

Someone declares your God Evil and decided not to declares him Good. Sounds like your God's perfect example is being followed.

The saying goes TREAT others the way you want to be treated. God must want to be treated on his own election lotto.

Strange that some see Calvinism as making God evil and wicked, as it really is the theology that gives Him His due glory!

 

[kyredneck]

It’s not about opposing views, but those opposing views saying we attribute evil to God. That’s flat out wrong.

It's usually an inflated ego that stretches the skin thin. Didn't know you were so sensitive.

[add]

...and seriously Willis, if you put someone on ignore why announce it?

 

[Iconoclast]

Benjamin...gave a brief answer in Part2 thread

 

[SovereignGrace]

...atta way Willis! You tell em! Someone dares ruffle your panties - put em on ignore!

Totally unnecessary remark.

 

[SovereignGrace]

It's usually an inflated ego that stretches the skin thin. Didn't know you were so sensitive.

[add]

...and seriously Willis, if you put someone on ignore why announce it?

I don’t have an inflated ego, nor is my skin thin. But if ppl want to debate me, they need to keep the blows above the belt. That’s twice you’ve felt the need to do this.

I announce it so they won’t waste their time quoting a post of mine directed towards someone else.

 

[kyredneck]

Totally unnecessary remark.

And that's a bona fide REAL reason to put someone on ignore (I wouldn't but many would). FYI, I'm doing this because I LIKE you.

those opposing views saying we attribute evil to God. That’s flat out wrong.

Be honest. You don't have to answer publicly. When you were a free willer, did you not ever level that very same accusation against us that held to SOVEREIGN GRACE?

 

[SovereignGrace]

And that's a bona fide REAL reason to put someone on ignore (I wouldn't but many would). FYI, I'm doing this because I LIKE you.



Be honest. You don't have to answer publicly. When you were a free willer, did you not ever level that very same accusation against us that held to SOVEREIGN GRACE?

Touche' and point well taken.

 

[SovereignGrace]

And that's a bona fide REAL reason to put someone on ignore (I wouldn't but many would). FYI, I'm doing this because I LIKE you.



Be honest. You don't have to answer publicly. When you were a free willer, did you not ever level that very same accusation against us that held to SOVEREIGN GRACE?

You are correct here. But allow me to add this...

There are some on here that were on here when I first signed up as convicted1 back in 2007. They are STILL saying Calvinism is determinism, that it makes God the Author of evil, when neither of those charges are correct. I did call it the doctrine of the devil, so I am guilty as charged. Thanks for the correction.

We avow God is not evil, does not tempt ppl with evil, is not the Author of evil, and yet, they continually level that charge against us, ad nauseam.