JESUS body has received No DNA from Mary.

[Eliyahu]

JESUS BODY HAS RECEIVED NO DNA FROM MARY


MARY WAS NOT THE BIOLOGICAL MOTHER OF JESUS BUT A SURROGATE MOTHER.
Jesus brought His own body from Eternity when He entered the womb of Mary.

(1) Matthew 1:20
1:20 ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος ἰδού, ἄγγελος κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβίδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου· τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is in her is begotten by the Holy Spirit

Γεννεθεν (Gennethen) is the passive form of γενναω meaning give birth to and its past form γεννισε was used for Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, Jacob begot Judah and his brothers…..
So, what Mt 1:20 tells us is that Jesus was already born as a perfect human being, even if He was not born out of Mary yet. Jesus was born into the womb of Mary before He was delivered out of Mary in Mt 1:25.

(2) Chromosome XY of Jesus

Jesus was a male and was circumcised on the eighth day of the birth.
Men have the chromosomes of X and Y, and women have X and X chromosomes.
Mary had only X chromosomes, then where did Jesus get Y chromosome?
The Holy Spirit is a spirit having no flesh, no body, no testicles, therefore no sperm of Holy Spirit was used.
God the Father is a spirit (John 4:24), having the throne (Rev 22:1)
No sperm of God the Father was used.
Where did Jesus get the Y chromosome?
Where did He get the body for Himself?
Jesus brought His own body from eternity!
Jesus had His own throne from eternity. Read Hebrews 1:8, Psalm 45:6, 93:2
Jesus brought His own XY chromosome and no ovum or no egg of Mary was used. Therefore Mary was not the biological mother but a surrogate mother conceiving the perfect body of Jesus.

(3) Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Who created man in His own image? God the Father? No. God the Holy Spirit? No. God the Son? Yes!

Col 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus created Adam in His image, in His likeness. In the likeness of His own body! The body of Jesus was the Prototype, Archetype of Adam’s body.

(4) John 1:1-3- 1 Cor 15:47 Creator of Body of Mary
John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1 Cor 15:47
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. Adam was born of the Earth and Mary was the descendant of Adam, Adam’s race. Jesus was born from the Heaven

Jesus Christ was the Creator of Mary, Creator of the body of Mary. When Jesus created Adam and Eve, Mary was in the loins of Adam and Eve ( Hebrews 7:10). Mary was the creature of Jesus and couldn’t exist without Him.

(5) John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
How could the Word become flesh?
The Word Himself was the Creator and became the flesh. How could Word become flesh? Maybe Word Himself had the body in Himself

(6) John 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
The Brain of Jesus remembered the days of Abraham and said He is before Abraham was. The Brain couldn’t have remembered Abraham’s days if it had been produced by Mary’s ovum.
<Before Abraham was, I AM> This means that the person Jesus before Abraham is the same Jesus that is speaking to the Jews NOW! The Same brain of Jesus before Abraham is talking to the Jews! Has the Brain come from Mary? The brain of Jesus existed before the birth of Mary!

(7) John 17:5
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
The brain of Jesus remembered the glory which Jesus enjoyed with His Father eternity before the Creation. This brain cannot be the one produced by the ovum of Mary, and must be older than Mary was, older than when Adam was created

(VIII) Heb 11:26
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
How many Christ did God have? Only one, Jesus Christ.
Moses worked for Jesus Christ. Was Mary the mother of God at that time? Was Mary mother of Jesus Christ at that time? Nope!

(9) Exodus 33:11
11 And the LORD spoke unto Moses face to face, as a man speaks unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
LORD Himself must have had the mouth, the tongue, the throat to speak with, the ears to hear and the face. This LORD was Jesus Christ before Incarnation.

(10) Genesis 32:24-30

. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Did Jacob wrestle with God the Father? No! Did Jacob wrestle with God the Holy Spirit? No! Whom did Jacob wrestle with? God the Son, Jesus Christ.
Did Jacob wrestle with a ghost? No! Did Jacob wrestle with a simulacrum of Jesus? No. Jesus appeared to Jacob and wanted to bless him, and Jacob struggled with Son of God physically and He changed the name of Jacob to Israel there.
Jesus Christ had a body even before His coming into this world thru Mary!

(11) Judges 13:15-18
15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee.
16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD.

(14) John 6:38
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jesus was from Heaven, not from Mary.

(15) John 16:28
28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Jesus didn’t come from Mary, but from the Father. Mary was not with God the Father before the Creation of the world, before Jesus coming into the world.

(16) Romans 3:10-23
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Mary was a sinner and Paul never mentions the exception for Mary in saying verse 10 and 23. Jesus was not a sinful man, but He knew no sin.

(17) Romans 5:12- Death factors Genetic disease
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Paul never mentioned the exception of Mary. Mary was a sinner and the death was passed unto her. She carried the death factors in her body. Jesus had no death in Him but He carried the eternal life which was given to the believers.

(18) Col 1:15-16
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Mary, Abraham, Adam were created by Jesus, for Jesus Christ. Can you believe this?

(19) Nestorians
Nestorius is famous as the person who refused to call Mary the mother of God
But he conceded to calling Mary the mother of Christ.
However, in my case, even calling Mary the mother of Christ should be rejected.

(20)) Hebrews 7 In the order of Melchizedek
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils
Both Melchizedek and Son of God are very similar each other because they had the 12 common points each other:
1) King of Righteousness, 2) King of Peace 3) No father 4) No mother 5) No genealogy 6) No beginning of life 7) No end of life Always alive 9) High Priest for Most High God 10) Higher than Abraham 11) Blessed Abraham with Bread and Wine 12) All divine attributes 13) Continuation of Melchizedek is Jesus Christ. 14) Dwelt in Salem which is Heaven( Psalm 76:2) Jesus was in Heaven and came down to Earth( JN 3:13, 6:38)

How many divine High Priest serve God? Only One!
Both Melchizedek and Son of God had NO MOTHER.
Melchizedek was the Pre-Incarnate Jesus Christ.

Jesus brought His own body from eternity. The ovum of Mary wasn’t used for the formation of body of Jesus. Mary was just a surrogate mother carrying the body of Jesus.

Eliyahu

 

[th1bill]

Surrogate mothers impart their DNA into the child they carry and while what you say might be possible none of your scripture supports your assertion. And key point; Why do you think it is important?

 

[kyredneck]

Why do you think it is important?

Excellent question.

 

[David Lamb]

JESUS BODY HAS RECEIVED NO DNA FROM MARY


MARY WAS NOT THE BIOLOGICAL MOTHER OF JESUS BUT A SURROGATE MOTHER.
Jesus brought His own body from Eternity when He entered the womb of Mary.

(1) Matthew 1:20
1:20 ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος ἰδού, ἄγγελος κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβίδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου· τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is in her is begotten by the Holy Spirit

Γεννεθεν (Gennethen) is the passive form of γενναω meaning give birth to and its past form γεννισε was used for Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, Jacob begot Judah and his brothers…..
So, what Mt 1:20 tells us is that Jesus was already born as a perfect human being, even if He was not born out of Mary yet. Jesus was born into the womb of Mary before He was delivered out of Mary in Mt 1:25.

(2) Chromosome XY of Jesus

Jesus was a male and was circumcised on the eighth day of the birth.
Men have the chromosomes of X and Y, and women have X and X chromosomes.
Mary had only X chromosomes, then where did Jesus get Y chromosome?
The Holy Spirit is a spirit having no flesh, no body, no testicles, therefore no sperm of Holy Spirit was used.
God the Father is a spirit (John 4:24), having the throne (Rev 22:1)
No sperm of God the Father was used.
Where did Jesus get the Y chromosome?
Where did He get the body for Himself?
Jesus brought His own body from eternity!
Jesus had His own throne from eternity. Read Hebrews 1:8, Psalm 45:6, 93:2
Jesus brought His own XY chromosome and no ovum or no egg of Mary was used. Therefore Mary was not the biological mother but a surrogate mother conceiving the perfect body of Jesus.

(3) Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Who created man in His own image? God the Father? No. God the Holy Spirit? No. God the Son? Yes!

Col 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus created Adam in His image, in His likeness. In the likeness of His own body! The body of Jesus was the Prototype, Archetype of Adam’s body.

(4) John 1:1-3- 1 Cor 15:47 Creator of Body of Mary
John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1 Cor 15:47
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. Adam was born of the Earth and Mary was the descendant of Adam, Adam’s race. Jesus was born from the Heaven

Jesus Christ was the Creator of Mary, Creator of the body of Mary. When Jesus created Adam and Eve, Mary was in the loins of Adam and Eve ( Hebrews 7:10). Mary was the creature of Jesus and couldn’t exist without Him.

(5) John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
How could the Word become flesh?
The Word Himself was the Creator and became the flesh. How could Word become flesh? Maybe Word Himself had the body in Himself
.....

(20)) Hebrews 7 In the order of Melchizedek
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils
Both Melchizedek and Son of God are very similar each other because they had the 12 common points each other:
1) King of Righteousness, 2) King of Peace 3) No father 4) No mother 5) No genealogy 6) No beginning of life 7) No end of life Always alive 9) High Priest for Most High God 10) Higher than Abraham 11) Blessed Abraham with Bread and Wine 12) All divine attributes 13) Continuation of Melchizedek is Jesus Christ. 14) Dwelt in Salem which is Heaven( Psalm 76:2) Jesus was in Heaven and came down to Earth( JN 3:13, 6:38)

How many divine High Priest serve God? Only One!
Both Melchizedek and Son of God had NO MOTHER.
Melchizedek was the Pre-Incarnate Jesus Christ.

Jesus brought His own body from eternity. The ovum of Mary wasn’t used for the formation of body of Jesus. Mary was just a surrogate mother carrying the body of Jesus.

Eliyahu

According to the Bible, Jesus did not bring His own body from eternity. It was a body prepared for Him:

NKJV Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.

If He came with His own body from eternity (and where do we even read about such a thing in Scripture?) why would He have needed a human mother? Yet the angel said to Mary:

NKJV Luk 1:31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.

No idea there of an already-existing body from eternity being somehow placed in her womb.

(Sorry, I have had t cut out part of your post, in order for this post not to be larger than permitted on BB)

 

[Mike B]

Eliyahu..since you brought science into this, here are some scientific facts.

Cell Migration from Baby to Mother - PMC

Fetal cells migrate into the mother during pregnancy. Fetomaternal transfer probably occurs in all pregnancies and in humans the fetal cells can persist for decades. Microchimeric fetal cells are found in various maternal tissues and organs ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Via the umbilical cord, DNA travels from mother to child, and also from child to mother.

 

[Flippo]

Am I wrong if I see some gnostic leaning in OP theory?

 

[Dave G]

JESUS BODY HAS RECEIVED NO DNA FROM MARY


MARY WAS NOT THE BIOLOGICAL MOTHER OF JESUS BUT A SURROGATE MOTHER.
Jesus brought His own body from Eternity when He entered the womb of Mary.

Yes, she was, but Joseph was not His father in the biological sense.

Despite this, He can and will lay legal claim to His father David's throne because of His lineage through Mary ( Luke 3:23-38 ), even though His lineage through Joseph ( Matthew 1:1-16 ) is not biological.

He is both the Son of God, and the son of man...
Legally and biologically, King of Kings, Lord of Lords and king of the Jews.

All of the prophecies concerning the Messiah have either been fulfilled in the Person of Jesus, or have yet to be.

Via the umbilical cord, DNA travels from mother to child, and also from child to mother.

Agreed.

 

[Eliyahu]

Yes, she was, but Joseph was not His father in the biological sense.

Despite this, He can and will lay legal claim to His father David's throne because of His lineage through Mary ( Luke 3:23-38 ), even though His lineage through Joseph ( Matthew 1:1-16 ) is not biological.

He is both the Son of God, and the son of man...
Legally and biologically, King of Kings, Lord of Lords and king of the Jews.

All of the prophecies concerning the Messiah have either been fulfilled in the Person of Jesus, or have yet to be.


Agreed.

You don't know the Life Science at all, which is the problem here.

 

[Eliyahu]

Eliyahu..since you brought science into this, here are some scientific facts.

Cell Migration from Baby to Mother - PMC

Fetal cells migrate into the mother during pregnancy. Fetomaternal transfer probably occurs in all pregnancies and in humans the fetal cells can persist for decades. Microchimeric fetal cells are found in various maternal tissues and organs ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Via the umbilical cord, DNA travels from mother to child, and also from child to mother.

Would you have some consultation with your doctor about this statement?

Ridiculous and Ludicrous !

Eliyahu

 

[Martin Marprelate]

If Mary was not the mother of the Lord Jesus, He is not a true man.
This was the faulty "Celestial Flesh" teaching of Melchior Hoffmann and Menno Simons.

 

[Eliyahu]

According to the Bible, Jesus did not bring His own body from eternity. It was a body prepared for Him:

NKJV Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.

If He came with His own body from eternity (and where do we even read about such a thing in Scripture?) why would He have needed a human mother? Yet the angel said to Mary:

NKJV Luk 1:31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.

No idea there of an already-existing body from eternity being somehow placed in her womb.

(Sorry, I have had t cut out part of your post, in order for this post not to be larger than permitted on BB)

You brought the most arguable and reasonable questions.
Luke didn't distinguish between the conception and the birth.
But Matthew states differently: Mt 1:20
ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος ἰδού, ἄγγελος κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβίδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου· τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου
Here you read το γαρ εν αυτη γεννηθεν εκ πνευματοσ εστιν αγιου
Do you know the verb γενναω was used for give birth to, in the previous verses all the time like Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob, Jacob begat Judas and his brethren...... All of this begat was the translation from the verb γενναω.
In other words, the Gennao verb in verse 20 should have been translated in the same manner and into the same rendering to '" begotten or BORN" But Most of the translations rendered it to Conceived which implies the fertilization between Ovum and Sperm. But Jesus was born into the womb of Mary as a perfect human Embryo. That Embryo was the perfect God and the Creator of the Universe and the Creator of Mary! Would you agree or deny this?
Jesus was born already in Mt 1:20 and came out of Mary in Mt 1:25
As for Heb 10:5
It is a good argument. He had the original body of human being but the work of minimizing the regular body into the human embryo size was done by the Holy Spirit. Jesus was looking forward to seeing such size of the body.

Could you answer my question?
Jesus said to the Jews < Before Abraham was, I AM> << Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.>>

Was the brain cells of Jesus older than Mary or not?

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

If Mary was not the mother of the Lord Jesus, He is not a true man.
This was the faulty "Celestial Flesh" teaching of Melchior Hoffmann and Menno Simons.

Jesus was another Adam, without belonging to the race of Adam. Read 1 Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
The first Adam failed and therefore the Second Adam came to this world in order to rescue the race of the first Adam including Mary.
Jesus was the Creator of all spirits of all flesh( Numbers 16:22)
Mary was a mother but a surrogate mother. Even Joseph was not the father of Jesus, but Mary told Jesus that thy father and I sought thee sorrowing ( Luke 2:48). Mary told Jesus < Joseph, thy father>
Jesus was the genuine man, and the prototype for Adam as He was the Creator of all Adam's race and Mary.

Eliyahu

 

[Foxmeister]

My wife is a retired nurse practitioner who specialized in women's health. If in vitro fertilization is used, there will be no DNA of the surrogate found in the baby. With that said, God created Adam. Who's DNA did he have?

Ya'll can debate this all you want, but what will it solve? Nobody can prove whether or not what Jesus' DNA contained. Because this hypothesis can neither be approved or disproved, it only results in causing division. Who is it that wants to divide us?

 

[Eliyahu]

My wife is a retired nurse practitioner who specialized in women's health. If in vitro fertilization is used, there will be no DNA of the surrogate found in the baby. With that said, God created Adam. Who's DNA did he have?

Ya'll can debate this all you want, but what will it solve? Nobody can prove whether or not what Jesus' DNA contained. Because this hypothesis can neither be approved or disproved, it only results in causing division. Who is it that wants to divide us?

False beliefs are everywhere and therefore we must claify.
We can say Jesus, God the Son is Eternal, and He is the Creator of all human beings ( John 1:1-3, Col 1:16-18)
Col 1:16 clarify who created all human beings!
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

This verse is talking about Jesus. It says Jesus created all in Heaven, Earth, Visible or Invisible, Principalities, etc.
Adam was included here. Jesus was the Creator of Adam in Genesis 1:26-27 and when He created Adam, He made Adam in His likeness, but Adam failed, even if God gave the remedy by the redemption which was the proto type Jesus Sacrifice, Adam's race failed again and again. Therefore Jesus Himself came to this world and took the Cross and completed the sacrifice by Himself.
Jesus came to this world in order to rescue the race of the first Adam

1 Cor 15:
45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being;[m] the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
47 The first man was from the earth
and made of dust;
the second man is[n] from heaven.

Jesus came to this world as the Second Adam in order to rescue the First Adam's Race and His mission was complete successfully when He cried Tetelestai on the Cross ( John 19:30)

The brain of Jesus when He told Jews that
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.( John 8:56, 58)

Could Jesus remember this if His brain was produced by the ovum of Mary and another sperm?
Remember this Jesus didn't say Before Abraham was, I had been, but He said < I AM>
The I AM before Abraham must be the same Jesus who was speaking to the Jews.
So, the brain of Jesus at the time of Abraham must be the same brain of Jesus at the time when Jesus was speaking to the Jews.
This relates to the scope of the deity and Omni-Presence of Jesus timewise, and His eternity

Eliyahu

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

JESUS BODY HAS RECEIVED NO DNA FROM MARY

This belief is built on false premises, bad biology, and worse Christology. It is nothing more than old Docetism and Gnosticism. Nothing, not one verse, word, letter or vowel in Scripture teaches this.

Jesus was of the seed of David, and He could only be the seed of David through Mary.

Men do NOT have “one chromosome.” This claim is biologically false.

Men have 46 chromosomes (23 pairs).
Women have 46 chromosomes (23 pairs).

The only difference is the sex determining pair:

Women: XX
Men: XY

As a male child Christ received:

One X chromosome from the Mary, one Y chromosome created by God in the virgin conception

This is exactly what happened in the incarnation. There is no biological or biblical problem here.

Jesus DID receive DNA from Mary

Scripture is explicit:

“God sent forth His Son, made of a woman.” Galatians 4:4 “Made of a woman” means biologically derived from her.

“Blessed is the fruit of thy womb.” Luke 1:42 A surrogate mother does not produce the fruit of her own womb. Mary was the real biological mother of Jesus.

Jesus was sinless because:

He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
He was the eternal Son
He took real human flesh without sin

Not because He avoided Mary’s DNA.

Jesus did NOT bring a human body from eternity.

This is ancient heresy, Docetism and Gnosticism.

“The Word became flesh.” John 1:14 He did not bring flesh. He became flesh.

“He also Himself likewise took part of the same.” Hebrews 2:14 He took our flesh, human flesh.

“A body You prepared for Me.” Hebrews 10:5 Prepared in Mary, not imported from eternity.

Jesus did NOT have a pre incarnate human brain. The Son existed eternally as God, and God is a Spirit, not as a human with a brain.

His human nature, including His brain, began at conception.

This is basic orthodox Christology:

One Person
Two natures
Human nature begins at conception

To say Jesus had a human brain before Mary is to deny the incarnation.

Jesus DID have a real human body.

He was born
He grew
He hungered
He slept
He suffered
He died

A pre eternal human body cannot do any of these things. Mary was NOT a surrogate mother.

A surrogate mother carries a child whose genetic material comes from someone else.

But Scripture says:

Jesus was made of a woman
Jesus was the fruit of her womb
Jesus was of the seed of David, and He could only be the seed of David through Mary.

Mary was the real biological mother of Jesus. This position is not Christian doctrine.

The claims match:

Docetism, Jesus only appeared human
Gnosticism, matter is evil and spirit is good
Nestorianism, denying Mary as mother of Christ
Arian distortions, pre incarnate human form

None of this is biblical.
None of this is orthodox.
None of this is Baptist.
None of this is Christian.

Conclusion

The biblical doctrine is simple:

Jesus took real human flesh from Mary.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus was fully God and fully man.
Jesus was sinless because He was the eternal Son, not because He avoided Mary’s DNA.

The Word became flesh. He did not import flesh from eternity.

This is the faith once delivered unto the saints.

 

[Foxmeister]

This belief is built on false premises, bad biology, and worse Christology. It is nothing more than old Docetism and Gnosticism. Nothing, not one verse, word, letter or vowel in Scripture teaches this.

Jesus was of the seed of David, and He could only be the seed of David through Mary.

Men do NOT have “one chromosome.” This claim is biologically false.

Men have 46 chromosomes (23 pairs).
Women have 46 chromosomes (23 pairs).

The only difference is the sex determining pair:

Women: XX
Men: XY

As a male child Christ received:

One X chromosome from the Mary, one Y chromosome created by God in the virgin conception

This is exactly what happened in the incarnation. There is no biological or biblical problem here.

Jesus DID receive DNA from Mary

Scripture is explicit:

“God sent forth His Son, made of a woman.” Galatians 4:4 “Made of a woman” means biologically derived from her.

“Blessed is the fruit of thy womb.” Luke 1:42 A surrogate mother does not produce the fruit of her own womb. Mary was the real biological mother of Jesus.

Jesus was sinless because:

He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
He was the eternal Son
He took real human flesh without sin

Not because He avoided Mary’s DNA.

Jesus did NOT bring a human body from eternity.

This is ancient heresy, Docetism and Gnosticism.

“The Word became flesh.” John 1:14 He did not bring flesh. He became flesh.

“He also Himself likewise took part of the same.” Hebrews 2:14 He took our flesh, human flesh.

“A body You prepared for Me.” Hebrews 10:5 Prepared in Mary, not imported from eternity.

Jesus did NOT have a pre incarnate human brain. The Son existed eternally as God, and God is a Spirit, not as a human with a brain.

His human nature, including His brain, began at conception.

This is basic orthodox Christology:

One Person
Two natures
Human nature begins at conception

To say Jesus had a human brain before Mary is to deny the incarnation.

Jesus DID have a real human body.

He was born
He grew
He hungered
He slept
He suffered
He died

A pre eternal human body cannot do any of these things. Mary was NOT a surrogate mother.

A surrogate mother carries a child whose genetic material comes from someone else.

But Scripture says:

Jesus was made of a woman
Jesus was the fruit of her womb
Jesus was of the seed of David, and He could only be the seed of David through Mary.

Mary was the real biological mother of Jesus. This position is not Christian doctrine.

The claims match:

Docetism, Jesus only appeared human
Gnosticism, matter is evil and spirit is good
Nestorianism, denying Mary as mother of Christ
Arian distortions, pre incarnate human form

None of this is biblical.
None of this is orthodox.
None of this is Baptist.
None of this is Christian.

Conclusion

The biblical doctrine is simple:

Jesus took real human flesh from Mary.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus was fully God and fully man.
Jesus was sinless because He was the eternal Son, not because He avoided Mary’s DNA.

The Word became flesh. He did not import flesh from eternity.

This is the faith once delivered unto the saints.

By your theory Jesus was XY because he was given birth through Mary. From whom did Adam get his X chromosome?

 

[Eliyahu]

This belief is built on false premises, bad biology, and worse Christology. It is nothing more than old Docetism and Gnosticism. Nothing, not one verse, word, letter or vowel in Scripture teaches this.//]

Are you BLIND? If not, Read my post again. I mentioned Mt 1:20, Genesis 1:26-27, Col 1:16, Gen 32:24-30, John 17:5, John 8:56-58, Romans 5:12, Heb 11:26, and so on. You haven't refuted one single verse.

Jesus was of the seed of David, and He could only be the seed of David through Mary.

Men do NOT have “one chromosome.” This claim is biologically false.

Men have 46 chromosomes (23 pairs).
Women have 46 chromosomes (23 pairs).

The only difference is the sex determining pair:

Women: XX
Men: XY

As a male child Christ received:

One X chromosome from the Mary, one Y chromosome created by God in the virgin conception//]

As if I hadn't mentioned Chromosomes, but you need the whole sperm to fertilize the egg of Mary. Not only Y chromosome, rest of 22 Chromosome should be provided. So, who provide the Sperm? You mean Jesus body is the products of fertilization between the Mary's egg and God's Sperm? Which Godhead are you talking about?

This is exactly what happened in the incarnation. There is no biological or biblical problem here.

Jesus DID receive DNA from Mary

Scripture is explicit:

“God sent forth His Son, made of a woman.” Galatians 4:4 “Made of a woman” means biologically derived from her.//]

Mary was a sinner to be forgiven by the Blood of Jesus ( Rom 3:23, 5:12). Jesus didn't receive the DNA from any sinner.
Gal 4:4 means coming out of a woman. Not necessary from the biological mother. Mary mentioned Joseph as the father of Jesus ( Luke 2:48)

“Blessed is the fruit of thy womb.” Luke 1:42 A surrogate mother does not produce the fruit of her own womb. Mary was the real biological mother of Jesus.//]

Surrogate mother produces the baby from her womb without any involvement of the fertilization of her own egg, Not necessarily the biological mother can do

Jesus was sinless because:

He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
He was the eternal Son
He took real human flesh without sin//]

If Jesus took any part of Mary's flesh, it means He took the flesh from a sinner. Mary was a sinner! That's why Catholics invented Immaculate Conception!

Not because He avoided Mary’s DNA.

Jesus did NOT bring a human body from eternity.//]

Do you know Jesus had His body before coming to this world? Problem is that you don't know about Jesus as much as I do, on this matter. You never read my post about Genesis 32:24-30. Jesus wrestled with Jacob. How could He wrestle with Jacob if Jesus had no flesh? Ha-Malack Jehovah was Pre-Incarnate Jesus and had His own body and flesh to wrestle with Jacob.

This is ancient heresy, Docetism and Gnosticism.

“The Word became flesh.” John 1:14 He did not bring flesh. He became flesh.

“He also Himself likewise took part of the same.” Hebrews 2:14 He took our flesh, human flesh.

“A body You prepared for Me.” Hebrews 10:5 Prepared in Mary, not imported from eternity.

Jesus did NOT have a pre incarnate human brain. The Son existed eternally as God, and God is a Spirit, not as a human with a brain.

His human nature, including His brain, began at conception.

This is basic orthodox Christology:

One Person
Two natures
Human nature begins at conception//]

I don't know about Docetism at all, and I am far away from Gnosis. I am arguing only based on the Bible.
You are accusing me with the false accusation. You can never answer my question about John 8:56-58, 17:5
The question was < Was the brain of Jesus the same as the brain of Jesus when He encounter Abraham?>
Can't you admit the Brain of Jesus was the same one that Jesus had when He existed at the time of Abraham?
Your Jesus may have the brain which existed only from the conception by Mary, and His brain didn't exist when Jesus met Abraham, right? That's the problem. How could Jesus remember the time eternity before the Creation when He had the fellowship with God the Father? Could the Brain produced by Mary have such memory before the Creation? You never read John 17:5 mentioned above?

To say Jesus had a human brain before Mary is to deny the incarnation.

Jesus DID have a real human body.

He was born
He grew
He hungered
He slept
He suffered
He died

A pre eternal human body cannot do any of these things. Mary was NOT a surrogate mother.

A surrogate mother carries a child whose genetic material comes from someone else.

But Scripture says:

Jesus was made of a woman
Jesus was the fruit of her womb
Jesus was of the seed of David, and He could only be the seed of David through Mary.

Mary was the real biological mother of Jesus. This position is not Christian doctrine.

The claims match:

Docetism, Jesus only appeared human
Gnosticism, matter is evil and spirit is good
Nestorianism, denying Mary as mother of Christ
Arian distortions, pre incarnate human form

None of this is biblical.
None of this is orthodox.
None of this is Baptist.
None of this is Christian.

Conclusion

The biblical doctrine is simple:

Jesus took real human flesh from Mary.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus was fully God and fully man.
Jesus was sinless because He was the eternal Son, not because He avoided Mary’s DNA.

The Word became flesh. He did not import flesh from eternity.

This is the faith once delivered unto the saints.//]

Don't misunderstand! I don't argue that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. But how was it done?
Was the ovum of Mary used? Nope! That is the issue and question here!
When did Body of Jesus start to exist? That is the main question here!
Body and the Brain of Jesus existed when He encountered Abraham or even before Abraham was.
You never answered my key question : If the Brain of Jesus at the time of encountering Abraham was the same brain of Jesus when Jesus spoke to the Jews in John 8:56-58.
You may say that Jesus is Eternal but the Body of Jesus came from Mary, which means His body wasn't eternal.
I disagree about it.
The brain of Jesus existed before Mary was born!
I don't care about any theology, but answer my question.
Jesus had the same body as Adam had, but Adam failed, then Jesus came to this world as the second Adam or the last Adam ( 1 Cor 15:45) in order to rescue the Race of Adam.
Body of Jesus was the same as the Body of Adam before FALL.


Eliyahu

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Are you BLIND? If not, Read my post again.

This belief is built on false premises, bad biology, and worse Christology. It is nothing more than old Docetism and Gnosticism. Nothing, not one verse, word, letter or vowel in Scripture teaches this.

Jesus was of the seed of David, and He could only be the seed of David through Mary. Biologically, the conceived child has its own blood, not the mother’s. Jesus did not share Mary’s blood, and sin is not transmitted by DNA or blood chemistry. Your argument assumes a biological mechanism Scripture does not teach and biology does not support.

You are arguing from categories that Scripture does not use, and that historic Christian doctrine does not permit. I will clarify the categories once, because the issues you raise are not biological or textual problems, they are category problems.

Theophanies are not the Incarnation.

When the Son appeared to Abraham or Jacob, He did not take on permanent human nature. Those appearances were manifestations, not the Incarnation.

John 1:14 is explicit:

“The Word became flesh.”

Not appeared in flesh.
Not used flesh temporarily.
Not brought flesh from eternity.

He became flesh in the virgin conception.

“He also Himself likewise took part of the same.” Hebrews 2:14: He took human nature at the Incarnation, not before it.

“A body You prepared for Me.” Hebrews 10:5: Prepared in Mary, not imported from eternity.

Your argument requires Jesus to have had:

a human body
human flesh
human DNA
a human brain
human memory storage

before Mary existed.

That is not biblical Christology.

Human nature begins at conception. The eternal Son existed before Abraham. His human nature did not.

This is the foundation of the Incarnation:

One Person
Two natures
Human nature begins at conception
Divine nature is eternal

To say Jesus had a human brain before Mary is to deny the Incarnation itself.

Biology does not work the way you are describing. A virgin conception does not require a human sperm cell.

God does not need:

22 autosomes
a gamete
a biological father
a human genome donor

God creates the Y chromosome ex nihilo. The rest of the genome comes from Mary.

This is why Scripture says:

“Made of a woman.” Galatians 4:4. Biologically derived from her.

“Fruit of thy womb.” Luke 1:42. A surrogate does not produce the fruit of her own womb.

Sin is not transmitted genetically. Mary was a sinner. Jesus took real human flesh from her without sin because:

He is the eternal Son
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
His human nature was unfallen
He did not inherit Adam’s guilt

Sin is not a chromosome.
Sin is not DNA.
Sin is not molecular.

Your argument repeats the same mistake that led Rome to invent the Immaculate Conception.

Jesus is the seed of David through Mary. “Made of the seed of David according to the flesh.” Romans 1:3:

He cannot be the seed of David without receiving real human flesh from Mary.

This is why your position cannot be reconciled with Scripture.

Conclusion

The biblical doctrine is simple:

The Son is eternal.
His human nature began at conception.
He took real human flesh from Mary.
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

He was sinless because He is the eternal Son, not because He avoided Mary’s DNA.

And biologically, the conceived child has its own blood, not the mother’s. Jesus did not share Mary’s blood, and sin is not transmitted by DNA or blood chemistry. Your argument assumes a biological mechanism Scripture does not teach and biology does not support.

The Word became flesh, He did not import flesh from eternity.

I mentioned Mt 1:20, Genesis 1:26-27, Col 1:16, Gen 32:24-30, John 17:5, John 8:56-58, Romans 5:12, Heb 11:26, and so on. You haven't refuted one single verse.

Nothing, not one verse, word, letter or vowel in Scripture teaches that JESUS body has received No DNA from Mary.

That is the faith once delivered to the saints.

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Are you BLIND?

How we inherit Adam’s guilt (and why it has nothing to do with DNA or blood)

Sin is not a molecule. Holiness is not a chromosome.

Adam’s guilt is covenantal, not biological. Scripture never teaches that sin is transmitted by:

chromosomes
blood chemistry
DNA
ovum
sperm
genetics
Sin is not a molecule.

Sin is a nature, and that nature is inherited covenantally, because Adam was the federal head of humanity.

“By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men.” Romans 5:12.

Notice what Paul does not say:

“Sin passed through chromosomes.”
“Sin passed through blood.”
“Sin passed through DNA.”

He says death passed, because Adam represented the entire human race.

This is federal headship, not biology.

Adam’s guilt is legal, not genetic:

“By the offence of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation.” Romans 5:18.

Condemnation is a legal status, not a biological trait.

You inherit Adam’s guilt the same way you inherit:

citizenship
family name
legal standing

It is a forensic reality, not a chemical one.

Adam’s guilt is natural, not molecular.

“In sin did my mother conceive me.” Psalm 51:5.

David is not saying:

“My DNA was sinful.”
“My chromosomes carried guilt.”
“My blood was corrupt.”

He is saying:

“I was born into Adam’s fallen nature.”
“I came into the world already under Adam’s headship.”

Again: nature, not molecules.

This is why Jesus could take real flesh from Mary without inheriting sin. because sin is not transmitted by:

blood
DNA
chromosomes

A conceived child has its own blood, not the mother’s. Jesus did not share Mary’s blood, and sin is not transmitted by DNA or blood chemistry.

This is why the virgin conception is sufficient:

Jesus enters humanity through Mary
Jesus receives real human flesh from Mary
Jesus receives real human nature
Jesus does not receive Adam’s guilt
Jesus does not receive a fallen nature
Jesus is sinless because He is the eternal Son, not because He avoided Mary’s DNA

This is the entire point of Luke 1:35:

“That holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

Holiness is not a chromosome. Holiness is the nature of the eternal Son united to real human flesh.

Summary:

We inherit Adam’s guilt covenantally, not biologically. Sin is not transmitted by DNA, chromosomes, or blood chemistry. A conceived child has its own blood, not the mother’s. Adam’s guilt is a legal and natural reality because he was the federal head of humanity (Romans 5:12–19). Jesus could take real human flesh from Mary without inheriting sin because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and did not receive Adam’s fallen nature.

Sin is not a molecule. Holiness is not a chromosome.

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Body and the Brain of Jesus existed when He encountered Abraham or even before Abraham was.

God is a Spirit, before the incarnation Christ had no physical body or brain. John 4:24. The claim that the body and brain of Jesus existed when He encountered Abraham, or even before Abraham was, is tantamount to saying Christ is a created being and not God. It is direct denial of the Incarnation and a direct denial of the eternal deity of Christ.

Christ’s blood was sinless because His human nature was unfallen and He was the eternal Son. “Without shedding of blood is no remission” refers to sacrificial death, not to sin being physically located in blood. Blood represents life poured out (Lev. 17:11). It does not represent sin molecules. Sin is not transmitted by DNA or blood chemistry, and a conceived child has its own blood, not the mother’s. Jesus did not share Mary’s blood. Adam’s guilt is inherited covenantally, not biologically.

The logic of atonement is simple:

• Sin deserves death.
• A substitute must die.
• Death is expressed by the shedding of blood.
• Therefore remission requires blood.

This is sacrificial logic, not biological logic.

Hebrews 9:16–17 makes the point explicit: “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead.”

“The death of the testator” is what gives the covenant its power. It is the death of Christ, the Testator, that secures salvation.