JESUS body has received No DNA from Mary.

[Eliyahu]

Even if this is correct, (and it may well be as i am no scientist-perhaps somebody who is can tell us), that makes do difference to the fact that God's word does not say that He placed an already-existing body into Mary's womb.//]

Bible doesn't say that Flesh of Mary became the flesh of Jesus either.
You'd better admit that your previous knowledge about the conception and fertilization was wrong.
You were confused between Conception and Fertilization. Conception=Pregnancy, but Conception is not Fertilization.
But now, at least, you understand what I am claiming, which is good for you!

Surely no fertilisation is done by the ovum, but by the semen. That wasn't so for Mary. When she asked the angel how she, who had never known (had intimate relations with) a man, could bear a Son, she was told that the Holy Spirit would come upon her. Nothing about placing an already existing body into her. //]

Nothing about the use of Ovum of Mary is mentioned either. Even if she was a virgin, Word could enter her and settle in her.

No. "The Word" (as John's gospel refers to Him) became flesh, not "was already flesh."

So why does John say He became flesh, if He had always been flesh?//]

Word contained the flesh and Word could expose the flesh as the Word had the power of Creation as the Word was the Creator.
Surely, when God said < Word became Flesh> < Flesh didn't Flesh> < no existing human flesh became the flesh of Jesus>
Word became Flesh! Believe the Word of God!

God's image/likeness. Not physical likeness, but spiritual.>>>>

When God made Adam, He made the body first, then blew the breath so that he became the living soul.
You forgot the order of Creation.
God created the body of Adam in the likeness of Himself first, thereafter He blew the soul and spirit.
God used His own body as the prototype of Adam's body.

No it isn't. The Word, as John said, was in the beginning with God, and was God. That Word became flesh via Mary. Otherwise, as i said before, if He already had flesh, what need was there for a virgin birth, or indeed any birth?//]

Jesus didn't need the body of Mary to get the flesh, but to achieve the prophecy to come as the offspring of the woman.
Like I said, Jesus could transform the Rock to become the person of Jesus.
Read Mt 3:9
God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Jesus was the Rock (Tsur) ( 1 Cor 10:4, Gen 49:24, Deut 32:4, 15, 18). The Rock could have become the flesh.
But in order to achieve the prophecy, Jesus came to human world thru Mary, which was necessary to save the human world, in order to rescue the Race of the First Adam. Jesus didn't belong to the First Adam, but Mary belonged to the First Adam.

No. There was no flesh before the Holy Spirit came upon Mary.
God is almighty. He can do anything He wants. Appear in bodily form and do things like eating, before the incarnation? No problem for Him.
Of course she didn't.
No i don't. i said that just as God the Father is said to remember things, yet He has no physical brain, so the Son could remember things from the time before He was incarnate, before He had physical parts.//]

First of All, what you said about the possibility that God can have the memory without the bodily brain is correct to Trinity all.
But in case of the God the Son, He is the Godhead which has the body from the beginning and He was the Creator of Adam ( Col 1:15-16, John 1:1-3) He was the Creator of All Flesh ( Numbers 16:22).
Jesus said < Before Abraham was, I AM>
This means that the person Jesus was the same as the person Jesus before Abraham.
The newly formed brain and body of Jesus produced by Mary couldn't say what it never experienced before.
If the body was newly formed by Mary, it cannot be Omnipresent
Have you explained Jehovah ate the meal provided by Abraham? ( Genesis 18:1-16)
God had the body before Mary was born, right? Yes or No!
If yes, where is the body gone?

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

Wow. So in your belief system life science trumps the Word of God? Is that it?//]

Nope, Life Science coincide with Word of God

Absolutely not. I oppose 100% any effort to use science in developing theology. Science has been proven to be wrong 1000s of times. For centuries scientists told us we had 9 planets in our solar system, but now they tell us that we only have 8! That is the broken reed you are leaning on.
No we don't. We have absolutely zero responsibility as theologians (and I teach theology) to access any "scientific" belief to determine our theology.That's not really what you've been advocating with all your nonsense about DNA, though I'm sure you will say it is.//]

Your comment applies to the political science, to Scientific Hoax, Scientific-ism, not the true Science. Many scientific discoveries refute the theory of Evolution. Likewise, Reasoning with the science of life doesn't contradict the Word of God.

Certainly.

Well, duh, He died.

Absolutely not. I've already referenced the hypostatic union doctrine which Christians have believed since the NT was written. Didn't you read what I wrote???

This is a really bizarre question. I believe the Bible with all of my heart, and have taught it for decades. OF COURSE I believe the Word became flesh, since that is what the Bible says. And the Bible never says that "flesh became flesh," so no, I don't believe that. I believe exactly what the Bible says: God the Father is the eternal Father of Jesus, and Mary was the human mother of Jesus. That is the meaning of the Word becoming flesh. That is the meaning of the word "mother." Your doctrine denies that Mary was the mother of Jesus, something the Bible clearly teaches.

Anything else is heresy. Period. End of story.

I have answered your weird questions, but had no obligation to do so. You may now continue to spew your execrable, science-based doctrine on this thread.

On this part, you are very much confused. You contradict yourself.
Death passed upon Mary ( Romans 5:12) but Jesus didn't have the death factors.
You forgot that Jesus died for the human race even though He didn't have to die.
If Jesus was supposed to die, if He had not suffered Crucifixion, then Jesus couldn't say
John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
In Jesus, there was no death as He is the Life!

Eliyahu

 

[John of Japan]

Nope, Life Science coincide with Word of God

I absolutely reject this premise. There is no human "science" that "coinside (sp.) with Word of God (sic). I dare you to actually prove your statement factually. You cannot. As Paul wrote, "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called" (1 Tim. 6:20).

In fact, you have yet to use the Biblical term for what you are talking about, the passing of characteristics from parent to child. Do you know what that Biblical term is? It is all through the Pentateuch, and even occurs in the New Testament. It completely disproves your premise. If you don't know that term, you have absolutely no standing to pontificate on the "DNA of Jesus."

Your comment applies to the political science, to Scientific Hoax, Scientific-ism, not the true Science. Many scientific discoveries refute the theory of Evolution. Likewise, Reasoning with the science of life doesn't contradict the Word of God.

On this part, you are very much confused. You contradict yourself.
Death passed upon Mary ( Romans 5:12) but Jesus didn't have the death factors.
You forgot that Jesus died for the human race even though He didn't have to die.
If Jesus was supposed to die, if He had not suffered Crucifixion, then Jesus couldn't say
John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
In Jesus, there was no death as He is the Life!

Eliyahu

I really don't know what you are talking about. You say that "Jesus didn't have the death factors," but then you confirm that He died. What in the world is a "death factor" anyway? That is not a theological term, nor have I ever heard it anywhere else.

And you say that I "forgot that Jesus died for the human race." Give me a break. Are you actually saying that you know the thinking of a random man on the Internet Baptist Board (me)???

I didn't contradict myself at all. I know exactly what I wrote. Now again, do you know the Biblical term for what you are trying to prove?

 

[David Lamb]

Bible doesn't say that Flesh of Mary became the flesh of Jesus either.

i never said that it did become the flesh of Jesus, just as my mother's flesh didn't become my flesh at my birth.

You'd better admit that your previous knowledge about the conception and fertilization was wrong.

Already said that you may have been correct about the meaning of "conceive," though it would be good to read it from somebody with scientific knowledge.

You were confused between Conception and Fertilization. Conception=Pregnancy, but Conception is not Fertilization.
But now, at least, you understand what I am claiming, which is good for you!

Nothing about the use of Ovum of Mary is mentioned either. Even if she was a virgin, Word could enter her and settle in her.

But that still doesn't explain, "The Word became flesh." Not "The Word was already flesh, and entered Mary's womb to be born."

Word contained the flesh and Word could expose the flesh as the Word had the power of Creation as the Word was the Creator.
Surely, when God said < Word became Flesh> < Flesh didn't Flesh> < no existing human flesh became the flesh of Jesus>
Word became Flesh! Believe the Word of God!

No. The Bible says, "The Word became flesh," not "The Word contained flesh." Not sure what "Flesh didn't Flesh" means.

When God made Adam, He made the body first, then blew the breath so that he became the living soul.
You forgot the order of Creation.

No, not forgot, just thought we were discussing incarnation, not creation.

God created the body of Adam in the likeness of Himself first, thereafter He blew the soul and spirit.
God used His own body as the prototype of Adam's body.

Where do we read that God used His own body as a prototype?

Jesus didn't need the body of Mary to get the flesh, but to achieve the prophecy to come as the offspring of the woman.
Like I said, Jesus could transform the Rock to become the person of Jesus.
Read Mt 3:9
God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Jesus was the Rock (Tsur) ( 1 Cor 10:4, Gen 49:24, Deut 32:4, 15, 18). The Rock could have become the flesh.
But in order to achieve the prophecy, Jesus came to human world thru Mary, which was necessary to save the human world, in order to rescue the Race of the First Adam. Jesus didn't belong to the First Adam, but Mary belonged to the First Adam.


First of All, what you said about the possibility that God can have the memory without the bodily brain is correct to Trinity all.
But in case of the God the Son, He is the Godhead which has the body from the beginning and He was the Creator of Adam ( Col 1:15-16, John 1:1-3) He was the Creator of All Flesh ( Numbers 16:22).

That is the strange notion that you have been attempting to convince the rest of us about, that the Word, Jesus Christ, already was flesh in your view, so couldn't become flesh at the incarnation.

Jesus said < Before Abraham was, I AM>
This means that the person Jesus was the same as the person Jesus before Abraham.

The same Person, but not yet made flesh.

The newly formed brain and body of Jesus produced by Mary couldn't say what it never experienced before.

But Jesus Christ was fully God and fully Man. He didn't throw off His divinity when He came to earth. He would still have had His divine memories.

If the body was newly formed by Mary, it cannot be Omnipresent

No it wasn't. That is why we read of Jesus walking to places, or going by boat.

Have you explained Jehovah ate the meal provided by Abraham? ( Genesis 18:1-16)
God had the body before Mary was born, right? Yes or No!
If yes, where is the body gone?

The same way that the other two, the angels, ate. Angels are said in the Bible to be spiritual beings. Yet those 2 ate.

Eliyahu

 

[John of Japan]

I took high school biology also. I remember that the teacher, named Miss Hoag," mocked me for believing in the biblical account of creation. Now Eliyahu wants us to believe that somehow the "true science" of biology is just as authoritative as the Word of God? Never in a billion years. Here is a website with scholarly articles about advances since DNA was first discovered: DNA - Latest research and news | Nature. DNA science changes all the time. The Word of God does not.

There is no way on God's green earth that DNA science can be as authoritative as the precious Word of God.

 

[John of Japan]

John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
In Jesus, there was no death as He is the Life!

Eliyahu

Please put the Bible quote in quote marks next time you quote the Bible. That way it is clearly distinguishable from your own words. That is the proper way to quote the Bible in English.

 

[percho]

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Did the following take place in an egg of the virgin Mary?

And the messenger answering said to her, 'The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten thing shall be called Son of God; Luke 1:35 YLT
and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death. Heb 2:9 YLT

Formation of the Human Body​

Initial Stages​

• Fertilization: The process begins when a sperm cell fertilizes an egg, resulting in a single cell called a zygote.
• Cell Division: This zygote undergoes rapid cell division, a process known as mitosis, creating a cluster of cells.

Development Process​

• Embryonic Development: The cluster of cells develops into an embryo. This stage involves the formation of various tissues and organs.
• Tissue Formation: Cells organize into tissues, which are groups of similar cells working together. The four main types of tissues are:
  • Epithelial
  • Connective
  • Muscle
  • Nervous
• Organ Development: Different tissues combine to form organs, each with specific functions. For example, the heart is made of muscle and connective tissues.

Influencing Factors​

• Genetics: Genetic information from both parents guides the development process, determining traits such as height and body structure.
• Nutrition: Adequate nutrition is crucial for growth. Essential nutrients support cell division and overall development.
• Hormones: Hormones play a significant role in regulating growth and development, particularly during puberty when significant changes occur.

Final Stages​

• Maturation: After several months of development, the embryo becomes a fetus. This stage continues until birth, when the fully developed human body emerges.
• Postnatal Growth: After birth, the body continues to grow and develop through childhood and adolescence, influenced by ongoing genetic, nutritional, and hormonal factors.

This intricate process results in the formation of a fully developed human body, capable of complex functions and interactions.

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

i never said that it did become the flesh of Jesus, just as my mother's flesh didn't become my flesh at my birth.

Already said that you may have been correct about the meaning of "conceive," though it would be good to read it from somebody with scientific knowledge.

But that still doesn't explain, "The Word became flesh." Not "The Word was already flesh, and entered Mary's womb to be born."

No. The Bible says, "The Word became flesh," not "The Word contained flesh." Not sure what "Flesh didn't Flesh" means.

No, not forgot, just thought we were discussing incarnation, not creation.

Where do we read that God used His own body as a prototype?

That is the strange notion that you have been attempting to convince the rest of us about, that the Word, Jesus Christ, already was flesh in your view, so couldn't become flesh at the incarnation.

The same Person, but not yet made flesh.

But Jesus Christ was fully God and fully Man. He didn't throw off His divinity when He came to earth. He would still have had His divine memories.

No it wasn't. That is why we read of Jesus walking to places, or going by boat.

The same way that the other two, the angels, ate. Angels are said in the Bible to be spiritual beings. Yet those 2 ate.

Excellent.

 

[percho]

I wonder why, "man," Adam was made a little less than messengers?
Wonder what that was, because of?

Could it have been because of, the sin and the death, that was not yet in the world?

I believe the Word became flesh.

DNA?

 

[Eliyahu]

i never said that it did become the flesh of Jesus, just as my mother's flesh didn't become my flesh at my birth.

Already said that you may have been correct about the meaning of "conceive," though it would be good to read it from somebody with scientific knowledge.

But that still doesn't explain, "The Word became flesh." Not "The Word was already flesh, and entered Mary's womb to be born."//]

Word Himself was the Creator of all Flesh and therefore when He settled inside the body of Mary He could retrieve the previous flesh as Jesus came into the room closed ( John 20:19). Creator of all flesh could transform the body in any form so that He can begin the human life as the race of the first Adam.

No. The Bible says, "The Word became flesh," not "The Word contained flesh." Not sure what "Flesh didn't Flesh" means.

No, not forgot, just thought we were discussing incarnation, not creation.//]

I didn't say the new creation of the body. Incarnation could be done without the ovum of Mary. If Ovum of Mary was used, it is NOT incarnation but the flesh became flesh.

Where do we read that God used His own body as a prototype?//]

You have a poor memory. I explained you in Hebrew and Greek
Read Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת־הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה בָּרָא אֹתָם׃
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:15 ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως

The reason why I don't rely on English translation is because the word < image> doesn't reflect what the original language meant. In verse 27 of Genesis, tselem appear twice, Likeness is emphasized. God didn't create the body of Adam without the prototype of it. God used His own body as the prototype of the body of Adam. Thereafter God blew His breath into Adam so that he could be Living Soul.

That is the strange notion that you have been attempting to convince the rest of us about, that the Word, Jesus Christ, already was flesh in your view, so couldn't become flesh at the incarnation./]

Not necessarily, I don't have to force you to believe my thought. You are free to go away any time! Word had the Flesh in OT times but the process of His coming into Mary was organized by the Holy Spirit.

The same Person, but not yet made flesh.

But Jesus Christ was fully God and fully Man. He didn't throw off His divinity when He came to earth. He would still have had His divine memories.
No it wasn't. That is why we read of Jesus walking to places, or going by boat.
The same way that the other two, the angels, ate. Angels are said in the Bible to be spiritual beings. Yet those 2 ate.//]

Which angel in which verse are you talking about?
For example An angel showed up to Jacob( Gen 31:11) and He said < I am God at the House of God> ( Genesis 31:13)
Jehovah ate in Genesis 18:1-8
Manoah tried to offer the meal to the Angel: Judges 13:
<<< 15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee.
16 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the Lord. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the Lord. 17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? 18 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Why ask thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?>>>

Why did Manoah try to offer the meal to the Angel of Jehovah? Isn't it because He had the same body as the human being?
What was His name?
וַיֹּאמֶר לּוֹ מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה לָמָּה זֶּה תִּשְׁאַל לִשְׁמִי וְהוּא־פֶלִאי׃ ס
< Why do you ask my name as it is beyond comprehension>? or as it is miraculously wonderful?
This is the translation from Peleh which can be found in Isaiah 9:6
כִּי־יֶלֶד יֻלַּד־לָנוּ בֵּן נִתַּן־לָנוּ וַתְּהִי הַמִּשְׂרָה עַל־שִׁכְמוֹ וַיִּקְרָא שְׁמוֹ פֶּלֶא יוֹעֵץ אֵל גִּבּוֹר אֲבִי עַד שַׂר־שָׁלוֹם׃
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
His name shall be called Wonderful! < Vaikra shemo Peleh> His name shall be called Miraculously Wonderful, Beyond Comprehension.

So, the Angels you may think had the bodies may be talking about Pre-Incarnate Jesus.
I can mention the Pre-incarnate Jesus as the angels in Ex 23:20, Isaiah 37:36, Joshua 5:14-15, and some more.
Those are all Pre-Incarnate Jesus Christ. You know the man who wrestled with Jacob ( Gen 32:24-30) was Pre-Incarnate Jesus.
He and Jacob wrestled each other body to body, and He changed the name of Jacob to Israel.
So, Pre-Incarnate Jesus wrestled with Jacob with His own body before His coming into this world.
Jehovah spoke with Moses face to face ( Deut 34:10, Ex 32:11). I have no doubt that this Jehovah was pre-Incarnate Jesus.
I think I explained you enough. You don't have to believe what I am saying!

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

Please put the Bible quote in quote marks next time you quote the Bible. That way it is clearly distinguishable from your own words. That is the proper way to quote the Bible in English.

Yes, sir! But you know how to distinguish between the word of God with the verse number and my interpretation!

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

I absolutely reject this premise. There is no human "science" that "coinside (sp.) with Word of God (sic). I dare you to actually prove your statement factually. You cannot. As Paul wrote, "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called" (1 Tim. 6:20).

In fact, you have yet to use the Biblical term for what you are talking about, the passing of characteristics from parent to child. Do you know what that Biblical term is? It is all through the Pentateuch, and even occurs in the New Testament. It completely disproves your premise. If you don't know that term, you have absolutely no standing to pontificate on the "DNA of Jesus."

I really don't know what you are talking about. You say that "Jesus didn't have the death factors," but then you confirm that He died. What in the world is a "death factor" anyway? That is not a theological term, nor have I ever heard it anywhere else.

And you say that I "forgot that Jesus died for the human race." Give me a break. Are you actually saying that you know the thinking of a random man on the Internet Baptist Board (me)???

I didn't contradict myself at all. I know exactly what I wrote. Now again, do you know the Biblical term for what you are trying to prove?

Did Jesus die by aging? How are the people dying except the accidents?
Jesus wouldn't have to die if He didn't need the Redemption of the human race.
All the people of the world have got the Death Sentence, but Jesus didn't
Jesus died for our sins.
Otherwise, Jesus would live forever ( Hebrews 7:3) Jesus suffered the death for our sins. ( Heb 7:3)

I pointed out the contradiction in your statements:
Death passed upon Mary,
Did Death passed upon Jesus? Then Jesus should have rescued Himself first!
No death passed upon Jesus!
If the death passed upon Mary, and Mary's ovum became the basis of the body of Jesus, then Jesus had got the death passed upon His body, then Upon which He would have sinned, which is untrue! Read Romans 5:12 by KJV. Most of the other translations including NKJV are wrong, except YLT, ASV, Darby.
If the ovum of Mary was used, then it is a part of body of Mary, therefore it carries the death upon itself and you cannot say, Word became Flesh because Flesh became Flesh! This is what I point out as the contradiction.

Eliyahu

 

[John of Japan]

Yes, sir! But you know how to distinguish between the word of God with the verse number and my interpretation!

Eliyahu

Sorry, I am a real stickler for treating the Word of God with all respect. (I do not say you don't respect the Word of God.) Now, how about that word in the Bible for how creatures are born. Do you know it?

 

[John of Japan]

Did Jesus die by aging? How are the people dying except the accidents?
Jesus wouldn't have to die if He didn't need the Redemption of the human race.
All the people of the world have got the Death Sentence, but Jesus didn't
Jesus died for our sins.
Otherwise, Jesus would live forever ( Hebrews 7:3) Jesus suffered the death for our sins. ( Heb 7:3)

Well, of course. This is all basic Christology and individual eschatology. (Are you familiar with this theology?) So?

I pointed out the contradiction in your statements:
Death passed upon Mary,
Did Death passed upon Jesus? Then Jesus should have rescued Himself first!
No death passed upon Jesus!
If the death passed upon Mary, and Mary's ovum became the basis of the body of Jesus, then Jesus had got the death passed upon His body, then Upon which He would have sinned, which is untrue! Read Romans 5:12 by KJV. Most of the other translations including NKJV are wrong, except YLT, ASV, Darby.
If the ovum of Mary was used, then it is a part of body of Mary, therefore it carries the death upon itself and you cannot say, Word became Flesh because Flesh became Flesh! This is what I point out as the contradiction.

Eliyahu

Now comes the crux of the matter. Of course Jesus did not have a sin nature. I suppose that is what you are trying to say, but do not have the proper English to communicate.

Your problem is that you don't understand the theology of the virgin birth. You are actually denying the importance of the virgin birth with your strange theology. Again, you do not understand the way the Bible talks about birth, especially one particular term. Are you humble enough to ask me what that term is? Otherwise you are not following Scripture about the matter.

 

[Eliyahu]

I wonder why, "man," Adam was made a little less than messengers?
Wonder what that was, because of?

Could it have been because of, the sin and the death, that was not yet in the world?

I believe the Word became flesh.

DNA?

Word became Flesh, none of the human flesh became the flesh of Jesus, which is what I am saying all the time!
None of the human flesh means none of Flesh of Mary became the Flesh of Jesus!
Could you understand?
Egg from the body of Mary was a part of Flesh of Mary, it was produced in the Ovary of Mary, then it fell down thru the Fallopian tubes to meet a sperm.
So, if the ovary or ovum of Mary was used, Flesh became Flesh of Jesus.
But the Bible says < Word became Flesh> < No Flesh was involved in the formation of Flesh of Jesus>
How? Word Himself is the Creator of the universe, all the living creatures, all human race. Word Himself had the creating power, retrieving power, etc.
Word became Flesh!

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

Well, of course. This is all basic Christology and individual eschatology. (Are you familiar with this theology?) So?

Now comes the crux of the matter. Of course Jesus did not have a sin nature. I suppose that is what you are trying to say, but do not have the proper English to communicate.

Your problem is that you don't understand the theology of the virgin birth. You are actually denying the importance of the virgin birth with your strange theology. Again, you do not understand the way the Bible talks about birth, especially one particular term. Are you humble enough to ask me what that term is? Otherwise you are not following Scripture about the matter.

As for Virgin Birth:
1) Jesus didn't come out of the Rocks, but fulfill the prophecy of Genesis 3:15
2) Lineage of David
3) Separation from David's human body, no human sperm was used
4) This is what I differ from you about: If the Sperm of David's descendant wasn't used, why should the egg of Mary be used?

If the ovum of Mary was used and it was OK with a view to transmission of the sins to Jesus, why is it the problem if the sperm of Joseph was used? You may excuse that, in that case, the new person will be simply a human being. Then, why can't God inspire the new person with the spirit of Jesus which existed in OT times without body?
You sound like Retreat 50 meter is OK but Retreat 100 meter is a crime.
Neither Sperm of any man nor the Ovum of any woman was used for the body of Jesus, because both Sperm and Ovum are the media transmitting the Death to the next generation.
Read Romans 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:


Death passed upon Mary and if the Ovum of Mary was used for the formation of body of Jesus,
Death would have passed upon Jesus!


Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

i never said that it did become the flesh of Jesus, just as my mother's flesh didn't become my flesh at my birth.//

You exposed your ignorance about your birth.
You were produced by the sperm of your father and the ovum of your mother.
Ovum of your mother was a part of body of your mother.
Maybe, the ova were preserved even from the birth of your mother and they grew up, then they are discharged one by one every month after the adolescence.
When the ovum was fertilized with the sperm of your father, they became a human embryo and settled on the uterus of your mother.
Then the human embryo grew up and became your body and brain.
The ovum of your mother and the sperm of your father formed the body, brain, and personality etc.
So, the ovum and the sperm are the media for the transmission of DNA, Appearance, Personality, Brain, etc.
The ovum of your mother, which was the part of your mother's flesh has formed the flesh of yours!
Check with your doctor!

Eliyahu