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Jesus ceased to be God?

church mouse guy

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I had read Joyce Meyers taught this, but I didn't know Copeland did as well until the other day.

Yeah, I heard it years ago but forgot it until you mentioned it again. Copeland and that crowd were big on TBN and they were about all that was on. I never did like them from one I first heard about them in 1982 from a Berean bookstore clerk.
 

SovereignGrace

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Yeah, I heard it years ago but forgot it until you mentioned it again. Copeland and that crowd were big on TBN and they were about all that was on. I never did like them from one I first heard about them in 1982 from a Berean bookstore clerk.
Have you ever been confronted with this teaching in person? I haven’t. Just online.
 

church mouse guy

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Have you ever been confronted with this teaching in person? I haven’t. Just online.

No. Kenneth Hagin was another one of them, wasn't he? I was fortunate enough to be born into a large family of regular believers and was not attracted to heterous doctrines. Some young people were around but very few.
 

SovereignGrace

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No. Kenneth Hagin was another one of them, wasn't he? I was fortunate enough to be born into a large family of regular believers and was not attracted to heterous doctrines. Some young people were around but very few.
Yes. Hagin, Copeland, Paul Crouch, and Joyce Meyers were in that dubious bunch. They got the part where Jesus was not born ‘Christos’ from Dake’s annotated bible. I don’t know if Dake taught He went to hell, though.
 

church mouse guy

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Yes. Hagin, Copeland, Paul Crouch, and Joyce Meyers were in that dubious bunch. They got the part where Jesus was not born ‘Christos’ from Dake’s annotated bible. I don’t know if Dake taught He went to hell, though.

I always thought Hagin was the leader. Paul Crouch was always looking for money and could be very abrasive. As you know, he was disgraced.
 

SovereignGrace

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Let this sink in ppl...Jesus ceased to be God. How can anyone with 1/2 a brain cell think this is a biblically accurate statement? I am amazed at how blinded ppl are by Satan. I said amazed, not shocked.
 

Yeshua1

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A lot of Pentecostals say they believe that. I believe Jesus was still God, but ministered as The Son Of Man filled with The Spirit.
He gave up exercising and using His divine attributes, so was self limited in knowing things while here on earth, but he could never have sinned, as God cannot do that!
 

Yeshua1

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He was both man and God. I don’t think any of us can fully grasp that. I think it goes deeper than we can swim.

Some think that He could do no miracles pre-baptism. Not so. He chose to not display His attributes before then. We have His birth, His being presented to Simeon, then being around 12, then it picks up with Him being around 30. The baptism was confirmation that He was indeed the prophesied Messiah.
Jesus chose to operate while here as we all need to do, but fully relying upon the Holy Spirit and staying in intimate fellowship with the Father, but he still could never have willed Himself to commit sin, as God cannot do that thing!
 

Yeshua1

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Let this sink in ppl...Jesus ceased to be God. How can anyone with 1/2 a brain cell think this is a biblically accurate statement? I am amazed at how blinded ppl are by Satan. I said amazed, not shocked.
Some who hold to the kenosis theory on the incarnation indeed have gone so far as to see Him being on earth fully human only, and thus would have been actually able to fall. They seem to be saying that it would not a legit testing of Him if no real possibility to ahve fallen!
 

Yeshua1

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I cited AiG, because I thought Y1 had a lot of respect for them. I could have been wrong. It was a direct response to his post, but has great bearing on the subject of the thread. In one post you said,

This is the right place to start (and end), and shows some humility, humility that we all need more of. What I see happening far too often is that someone goes too far toward one extreme, and the favored “solution” is for someone else to then go too far toward another. Overemphasis one way or another can lead to heresy and resolves nothing.
I indeed respect them for their views regarding creation and falseness of evolution, but in this one area, they seemed to have strayed...
 

Reynolds

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He gave up exercising and using His divine attributes, so was self limited in knowing things while here on earth, but he could never have sinned, as God cannot do that!
If He were not capable of sinning, His temptation was not real. One can not be tempted with something they can not do.
 

Yeshua1

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If He were not capable of sinning, His temptation was not real. One can not be tempted with something they can not do.
Yes, Jesus was really tempted in his humanity, as he experienced it as we do, but with 2 HUGH differences, as he had no sin nature to respond back to want more, and being being God, He would not sin!
 

SovereignGrace

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If He were not capable of sinning,

Utter foolishness. The Christ was not capable of sinning. What is shown is ppl trying to tear God down and exalt themselves. No way was the Christ capable of sinning. Pure foolishness.

His temptation was not real. One can not be tempted with something they can not do.
Pure foolishness.
 

Yeshua1

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Utter foolishness. The Christ was not capable of sinning. What is shown is ppl trying to tear God down and exalt themselves. No way was the Christ capable of sinning. Pure foolishness.


Pure foolishness.
Jesus actually experienced them far deeper and in a worse way than any of Us, as he was and is Holy, and we being sinners want to respond to sin, but he must have been really feeling it, as the Holy God actually had to taste what temptation to sin is really like!
 
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