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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SovereignGrace, Jul 2, 2018.

  1. Reynolds

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    But I thought your reason for Jesus "not being able to sin" was that He had no sin nature.
     
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    Oh, now there is something Omniscient God did not know?
     
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    No, rather that it was due to Him still being fully God while here on earth!
     
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    God did not know from an experience level what itmeant to be tempted until the Incarnation!
    Would be like I can know from books what it means to be hungry, but so not really know that until starving!
     
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    And the Calvinists say that I limit God and make Him Impotent? In this instance, you would have God with an imperfect knowledge. It seems you have God as only omnipotent and omniscient when we are discussing Soteriology.
     
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    No, its that God knowledge of being tempted to sin was not personal to him, as knowing it first hand, untill experience while upon the earth!
     
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    So, God learned something He previously did not know? It does not matter how you phrase it, you still have God learning something.
    The proper view is He knew everything, He chose to come to Earth and endure the Trials of man for reasons above our comprehension.
     
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    Jesus while in heaven never experienced pain, temperature, hunger, etc, as those required him to be a Human to have that!
     
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    Again, even after your re-re-re-re-phrase, you still have omniscient God learning something.
     
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    He did as a man, as jesus learned new things all the time, as regards to His humanity
    Luke 2:52
     
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    Now you are getting there. The flesh of Jesus learned. The divine nature did not learn. Perfectly demonstrates that Christ had indeed set aside His divine nature and ministered as The Son of Man.
    Why did He need to do that? His omniscient divine nature in no way benefited from His becoming man.
     
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    No, Jesus did not lay aside His divine nature, as that would indeed mean that while on earth, was just a sinless human being!
     
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    I don't believe Jesus ever ceased from being God. He was fully man and fully God at the same time. Remember, He could perform miracles at any time while living as a man, and had the full knowledge He's always had. While prophets who were only men prayed for a miracle, Jesus simply said "Let it be..." and it was! And his enemies couldn't harm Him til the time arrived for His ultimate sacrifice for our sakes.

    Remember, He didn't believe it was robbery to be equal to God. Further proof was that He forgave sins while living as a man.
     
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    Do not be over exuberant to allow for some personal interpretation of this passage when it comes to the manner of Jesus ever ceasing to be God.

    5Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
    Too many consider that the words "emptied himself" and "form of a servant" and "humbled himself" all are indications that in some manner Christ ceased or limited himself as it relates to the divine nature.

    That is just not what is being presented.

    Rather, it is the "station," the "position" and the "glory" in which were relinquished. Remember the mount of transfiguration, and the opening of the Revelation? The glory, the station, the position are what was relinquished.

    Christ died and is now given back all that was prior with the added benefit stated above of the name above every name, that all knees will bow not just humankind but all authorities of the creation, and all creation will confess Jesus Christ is Lord.

    And what is the result?

    God is glorified even more!
     
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    Jesus was fully man & fully God at the same time.

    Isaiah propheseid he'd be called "Immanuel", meaning "GOD is with us." 1 Tim 3:16 sez "GOD was manifest in the flesh", referring to Jesus. Jesus forgave sins against God, which only God can do.

    And Jesus did NOT go to hell! That heresy arose because of the KJV's mistranslating hades as hell. Hades is the temporary abode of the souls of the dead, & it's divided into "paradise" & "torments". Jesus told the repentant thief on the cross, "Today, you shall be with Me in PARADISE".

    Hell is gehenna, the lake of fire. Right now, it's unoccupied. its first occupants will be the "beast" & his deputy the false prophet. Right now, all the souls of those who died in sin are in the "torments" part of hades, as we see from Jesus' parable about the righ men & the beggar Lazarus.

    Glad you called out those people's apostasy.Maybe someone else will read what you wrote & steer clear of their heresy.
     
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    Mark 2:10 shows Jesus never ceased to be God, as did things only God can do!!
     
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